Mitt Romney Discussing Mormonism With Judy Woodruff, On The "Charlie Rose Show."

(I used this picture, because AS SOON AS Judy Woodruff brought up Mormonism, Mitt had to reach up and adjust his collar. I guess it got a little tight there, eh Mitt? Also, has anyone else noticed the nasty little patronizing smirk he gets on his face, whenever he's asked about Mormonism? Man that's annoying and says a lot!! You'll see when you watch the video.)



This video was originally in my YouTube videos but got deleted by Youtube after a supposed complaint by the "Charlie Rose Show." It was probably Daniel C. Peterson though, as he really hates me, is following everything I do and made a complaint against me, ironically, at the same exact time, for the 20 second clip I posted of him from "The More Good Foundation", where he makes a complete ass of himself.

Also, at that same exact time, BYU, where Danny boy works for free, both teaching and for FARMS(since he says that the Mormon cult doesn't pay him), BYU emailed me, asking me to remove the damning Robert Millet video of how to deal with anti-Mormons. I seriously doubt the Charlie Rose show would give a shit, as the video is available for free on Google in its entirety, and was used by me for "educational purposes" and "news" and is clearly covered under the Fair-Use copyright provisions.

In any case, someone was nice enough to post this video elsewhere, so I thought I'd share it with all of you here, along with the description that I had written for this video and all of the comments that suddenly got deleted, as some people had some great things to say. Let's just say the comments on both sides are very enlightening, especially the so called TBMS. They are always so Christlike, loving and compassionate.

Here is my description of the video and then following that, are the 175 comments and I look forward to more comments:

This is a small clip of an interview that Mitt Romney did with Judy Woodruff(no relation to Wilford-I don't think), on the Charlie Rose show.

Judy Woodruff brought up some great questions and I was quite shocked to hear Mitt Romney say:

"the most unusual thing in my church is that we believe there was once a flood upon the earth and that a man took a boat and put 2 of each animal inside the boat and saved humanity by doing that." Really Mitt?

That's the most unusual thing about Mormonism? No mention of your holy, sacred underwear? No mention of Adam-God, Polygamy, temple death oaths, naked touching, God the Father having physical sex with Mary, Blood Atonement, Mountain Meadows Massacre, the Mark Hoffman scandal, child brides, marrying other men's wives, marrying other men's pregnant wives(all behind your wives back), homicidal angels with flaming swords, the racism against blacks until 1978(with no apologies or retractions to this day), the continued discouragement of any interracial marriages, their anti-gay, homophobic stance, their fear of anyone that masturbates and how any moral transgression is next to death, and that you are literally "better off dead than immoral".......and on and on and on. Noah's ark? WTF? You've gotta be kidding me right?

The most classic line spoken by Mitt, was when Judy asked about Jesus returning to Missouri and God having a Material body and that he was Fathered by another God, and he said:

"Well, there's a leap of faith associated with every religion; you haven't exactly got those doctrines right, but if you have doctrines you want to talk about, go talk to the church(laughing), because that's not my job."

Mormonism, a leap of faith? How about a giant leap into the twilight zone Mitt, because it is the "one and only true twilight zone on earth?" In order to be Mormon, you either have to be indoctrinated and brainwashed(and lied to) from birth, or lied to and deceived as an adult. Very few people would ever join the Mormon cult if they knew the truth.

If the Mormon missionaries told the truth right out of the gate, about everything upfront(which the majority of them don't even know about), you might get a few thousand fools a year that would still join and within a several decades, it would almost cease to exist at all.

Lies, deceit, fraud, control and brainwashing/indoctrination is what keeps it going, even as the number of converts is steadily dropping.

On top of that, the number that are leaving the Mormon cult is increasing steadily every year. Within the next few years, expect to see more leaving each year, than joining, as the gap is narrowing and getting pretty close now.

Mitt Romney then says that he's “happy to talk about his faith.” You are? Sure doesn't sound like it to me. I mean, come on, at least be honest and don't blatantly lie when asked specific questions that are right on the money Mitt.

When Mitt said, "you haven't exactly got those doctrines right", he either flat out lied to make himself and the Mormon church, look normal and mainstream or he isn't actually aware of those doctrines, which I don't believe for a second. If by some 1 in a zillion chance he doesn't know those basic and true doctrines of Mormonism, then he isn't worthy to be a Mormon, let a alone a President of a country. I mean come on, he's best buddies with Jeffrey Holland, the Mormon Apostle.

So, he flat out lied, by saying that "Noah's ark and the flood", was the "most unusual thing in my church" and then again, by saying that the 2 doctrines and teachings she mentioned, "weren't exactly right." She was very nice and gave him a pass when she could have destroyed him; but Mitt's a smooth talker, and as we just saw, can lie with the best of them, especially if the interviewer isn't strong in their knowledge of Mormonism.

I wasn't really leaning one way or the other on Mitt Romney, as he seems like a good guy, did a great job with the Olympics and appears to have done pretty well as the Governor of Massachusetts, but this interview showed me that he will do whatever it takes to look normal and make Mormonism look normal, even if he has to lie to the world to do it.

What's so wrong and offensive with the media trying to understand the Mormon cult and their bizarre, awful teachings and past, when he professes that "he's a true-believer" in said cult? Would nobody care if he was a Moonie, SDA or JW? Of course they would, because those are all CULTS.

I mean people should know that Mitt Romney has promised to give EVERYTHING he is or will ever be or have, to the Mormon cult, through an oath to God, which once included death penalties if he violated the covenants(I assume the blood oaths still apply to those of us that received them? Did the church ever officially rescind them and say that they didn't apply to those of us that went through before the 1990 changes?) I want a man dedicated to this country to be President, not someone that is dedicated to their stupid cult and so called Prophet and I think it's fair to grill him on this.

It's funny and ironic, isn't it, when he speaks of how running for President will be all about the “values he has”, when he just got done blatantly lying and deceiving Judy Woodruff and everyone watching?

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inthearmsofsleep (4 weeks ago)

It's funny how the description of the video is longer than the video itself... He just made a couple little comments basically telling everybody that he isn't in it for religious reasons, but that his moral values do make him a good leader.

ScottKin (4 weeks ago)

It just appears that SamuelTheUtahnite has an axe to grind - that's usually what causes all of these Anti-LDS diatribes; Someone was ex-communicated, or someone got addicted to drugs or sex & porn and left the Church on their own. If not, it's someone who got frenzied-up by their Vegas-flash DJ/Preacher who needed to get that Offering-Plate filled.

jessicadeaun (3 weeks ago)

I beg your pardon! People are leaving this church in droves because they are finding the truth about its founders, its scriptures, its current and past leaders, and they're also taking a very hard look at the utter stupidity of mormon theology. And Romney? I'm a card-carrying Republican and I'd vote for almost anyone BUT a mormon. I don't want someone who thinks he's going to be god with a bunch of trophy wives with his finger on the button.

Pebble2010Champ (2 weeks ago)

"Should Mitt Romney join a 2008 race that included John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich and George Allen, the only guy in the GOP field with only one wife would be the Mormon." - Kate O'Beirne of National Review.

jessicadeaun (1 week ago)

Oh, no. I'm aware that Mitt has to wait for his trophy wives. When he gets to be a god like the one he worships who lives on a planet called Kolob. And his lucky "wives" get to stay pregnant for eternity. Mitt's going to be one busy beaver.

jessicadeaun (1 week ago)

Oh, and the thing that sent me looking for a God who wasn't quite so narrow minded was the thing Mitt's going to have trouble explaining. He gave 10% of his income to one of the most racist organizations in this Country: The mormon church. BTW, Pebble, some people prefer divorce to misery and it's no longer looked upon as a social stigma. (Thank you, Mr. Rockefeller)

heidi95 (2 weeks ago)

With card-carrying Reptiles--er Republicans like you, it's hard to see how Republicans could elect someone like David Duke as their nominee for Governor.

SamueltheUtahnite (4 weeks ago)

OH Scott, you are the poor dumbass, brainwashed true believer, aren't you? You hang on every word of your pathetic cult leaders and believe every word they say. You don't really care why I left, rather just repeat the same old recycled, tired lines of your pathetic cult hierarchy. If they told you to jump off a cliff, you'd get there as fast as you could and do a swan dive, chanting, "I know the church is true, I know Joseph Smith and Gordo are Prophets", etc...SPLAT!! You're pathetic!!

SamueltheUtahnite (4 weeks ago)

But you're right, first I became an alcoholic, then I got addicted to hardcore drugs(Oaks says there not as bad as porno), then I dove into the porno world when I watched "Orgazmo." That led to porno addiction, massive sex addiction with prostitutes, more drugs, more liquor and then excommunication..but they love me. LOL!!

SamueltheUtahnite (4 weeks ago)

One Sunday I stumbled into church, completely wasted, with a Hustler and bottle of Vodka in one hand, and my dick in the other hand, and I bore my testimony and then I flashed everyone. Yep, then they exed me!! Wow, how did you know? The Mormon God must have blessed you with the revelation. Of course, there is just no way that I studied and learned the truth about the lies and fraud since 1830, right? Man Scott, you are amazing, thanks for the insights and good luck with your cult!!

SamueltheUtahnite (4 weeks ago)

Oh yeah, I almost forgot, and I belong to a radical, fanatical, nut-job Evangelical church in Vegas and my preacher has been riding my ass to start trashing Mormons for no apparent reason, other than we radical Evangelicals believe they are gonna burn in hell with Satan forever, while gnashing their teeth for all Eternity.(Are there Dentists in hell). Anyway, once again, you nailed it bro and I think you may one day be an Apostle or even a Prophet. Keep up the great visions!!

ichbinarbeiten (3 weeks ago)

I would not vote for a Mormon to become president. their beliefs are so bizarre that I believe they would not effectively be able to govern this country. They believe they will someday become gods...oh boy,if that ain't bizarre, nothing is.

Teutonik (3 weeks ago)

It seems a little odd, that he avoids the questions entirely and cites a hard-to-beliEve story for comparison. He also said it is not his job to respond. More likely he was scared to in case he said something wrong and completed screwed over his "church".

cbritton11 (2 weeks ago)

Lies and secrecy? I've looked up one side and down the other for these things you are talking about. If we apply the same latitude to these modern day prophets as we do to those in lets say OT times we would walk away with a bit more understanding. It's easy in 2006 to call someone who's 30 a pedifile for marrying a 14 year old unless you look at legal ages of marriag in the 1830's which is as little as the age of 10 in at least one state.

TexasCBert (2 weeks ago)

Romney is impressive as a leader and communicator. He deftly dealt with an inane question. Post mid-term elections will begin a very interesting Prez race. Romney's charisma and the lack of an enticing conservative candidate should propel him to the front of the pack. He has the qualities a 21st century candidate needs; charm, movie-star looks, successful business resume, executive management of troubled orgs. And don't 'misunderestimate' the importance of eloquence in a post-Bush Presidency.

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

TexasCBert, you think that he "'deftly' dealt with an “inane question?” In other words, he lied with skill? Is that what you support? I mean come on man, he was asked a very simple, point blank question and he gaffed big time!! "Noah's ark is the biggest difference between Mormonism and other religions?" She didn't "get the doctrines right?" "Talk to the church, that's not my job?" What is he so damn afraid of, if he is so normal and loves his church so much?

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

This clown had better get used to these questions, because they will only intensify and get tougher, as his Presidential campaign progresses. He will only make it a bigger issue by lying like this!! I thought Mormons were proud of what they believed? I would think they would want the world to know all about their beliefs....oops, I guess not!! Maybe Mitt can ask Jeffrey R. Holland about it the next time they meet in Salt Lake(unofficially of course, as just old buddies from college), to organize the donors for his campaign?

TexasCBert (2 weeks ago)

Dude, I think you have some serious issues and need therapy. The American people aren't electing a pope. I don't care to hear Romney discuss his views on god any more than I want to hear Rudolph Giuliani discuss his views on transubstantiation. Most Americans don't have this bizarre obsession with Mormonism that you seem to have. It was an inane question. He smartly swatted it away.

jessicadeaun (2 days ago)

Do you think one should question a person's competency for Pres if he/she were a Scientologist? How about a Moonie? How about the White Supremacist Party? How about FLDS? Regardless of the Disney World PR films, citizens at least need to be informed about the religion this man loves and has served in a high office and paid 10% of his considerable income to.

jessicadeaun (2 days ago)

How seriously do you take an oath? An oath to God? An oath to your government? I think that's a fairly serious undertaking and agree that when you do so you hold your soul in you hand. How is Romney going to take the oath of office when he's promised FIRST allegiance not to God, but to the Mormon church. A man who has demonstrated such outstanding good sense as to swear to cut his own throat and tear out his own guts? Presidential material? Not in this dangerous age.

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

I have issues and need therapy, just because I think people will make Mormonism an issue for Mitt Romney? If you don't think it will be an issue, then you have your head buried in the sand, or cult, and don't have a clue. It is already an issue dude and you can't even see it!! People aren't going to want some guy as President, that thinks he's a God in embryo, just waiting for his polygamous wives, children and worlds without number. I guess we'll soon see, won't we?

TexasCBert (2 weeks ago)

No, you have issues and need therapy because you have this obsessive hatred; I looked through your profile. It can't be healthy to expend so much negative energy this way. I've seen it around the world; whether it be a hatred of Jews, Christians, Catholics; it's all the same. Sorry, I don't get it. I'm serious; from what I see, I really think you have a problem and need help. Bad vibes, man.

jessicadeaun (2 days ago)

Ah. Well. With this barometer, Eli Wietzle should have just gone quietly into the sunset too. Know what one of their prophets said in general conference to adult women who had been sexually abused by the stake president, mission president, temple president, bishop fathers? "It time to get over an incident that happened in the second semester of the first grade." You really need to do some research.

TexasCBert (2 weeks ago)

No, you need therapy because you have this obsessive hatred toward religious views that differ from your own. I read through your profile; it can't be healthy to expend so much negative energy in such an angry way. I've seen it around the world in other forms, whether it be against Jews, Christians, Catholics... Hatred is dangerous. I'm serious when I say I think you need help. Don't you have any other hobbies...?

jessicadeaun (2 days ago)

And I agree with Jefferson, "There's no better way for evil to succeed than for good men to do nothing." You say you're a political junkie, yet you condemn my and other's passion in defense of freedom---and yes, Mormonism is a threat to freedom--and to tear away the facade of of syrupy lies to see the corruption and hypocrisy within. Mormonism destroys lives and families and Mitt Romney is hand in glove with the leaders of this cult.

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

What is Romney so afraid of? He's afraid that his peculiar religion, that believes in so many ridiculous, freaky things, will become the MAIN issue, and that everyone will see him as a freak-show. It's better to "swat it way", then tell the truth, because the truth is worse than saying nothing or even lying. What you call swatting, I call deceptive tactics and lying. What he said in response to her question was not the truth and you know it and he knows it. Quit being a Mormon apologist DUDE!!

TexasCBert (2 weeks ago)

Of course Romney's Mormonism will be in issue; Kennedy raised it in '94. Massachusetts residents knew Romney well enough it wasn't much of an issue in '02. Presidential elections are notoriously brutal and everything will be used against the candidates. Have you really deluded yourself into thinking you are raising some sort of point here? Those of us who don't subscribe to your crusade see this as obvious opportunism on your part to hang on to Romney's coattails to spread your anger.


TexasCBert (2 weeks ago)

You are so obsessed with your anger you don't see that I'm not being a Mormon apologist by suggesting most concerned Americans will be more interested in Romney's political views vs. Romney's religious views. It doesn't seem like a difficult point to understand. Those who choose another candidate will be happy to look for his demons wherever they can find them.

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

So Bert ol' buddy, are you saying that you aren't even Mormon? Wow!! You must really love Mitt to defend him so strongly? You said, "I don't share Romney's religious views.." Then my question to you Bert, is how the hell do you even know what you're talking about regarding Mormonism, if you aren't even Mormon? One thing I love, is people that speak with great authority, on something that they know nothing about. Don't pretend to be so concerned about me, when you don't even know me.

TexasCBert (2 weeks ago)

This is truly amusing; I really feel like I'm visiting the asylum. I say: Romney's Mormonism doesn't matter to me and predict it won't bother most Americans. You hear: I'm defending Mormon teachings. I could say the word 'taco' and you would hear it as me waxing poetic about Mormonism. HENCE my comment about your O-B-S-E-S-S-I-O-N. Most of us out here JUST DON'T CARE. What part of that CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND??? Seriously, seek help. There's life outside of Utah. Take a trip to Disneyworld.

jessicadeaun (1 week ago)

Hum. Think no one would care if Romney were a Scientologist? A Moonie? How about a Muslim? Because that's precisely what we who know Mormonism well understand. It's a cult and if it's a religion, it has MUCH more in common with Islam than Christianity. Oh, and about the racism problem; White supremacy is (thank God!) the views of extreme fanaticism---and Mormonism.

TexasCBert (2 weeks ago)

I don't share Romney's religious views, but it won't stop me from supporting him if I deem him sincere, principled and fit for the job.

issuesrgood (2 weeks ago)

as i said before, a mormon for president of the US would be as bad as having saddam or osama bin laden as our leader... it would be a huge DISASTER

TexasCBert (2 weeks ago)

You're a rocket scientist there, champ.

jessicadeaun (2 days ago)

Are you sure you're not a Mormon? You debate just like them. Instead of addressing issues, you call names, impugn motives, question your opponent's intelligence and mental state, suggest alternative occupations, and in general reduce discussion, debate and argument to belittling one's opponent while extolling your superiority. If you did that on the House Floor, you could get yourself ejected.

Ateleses (2 weeks ago)

SamueltheUtahnite is a religious bigot! He's life is spent bashing on Mormonism.

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

I'm a bigot? Just because I tell and expose the truth of Mormonism; which includes a deep history of bigotry, intolerance and hate...I'm the bigot? You need to do your homework there Ateleses and not make a dumbass out of yourself. I decry bigotry, especially the racial bigotry of Mormonism, which they refuse to apologize for. Even the supposed Mormon God is a bigot and racist!! Anyway, learn what you are talking about, before calling me a bigot.

omegagal (2 weeks ago)

SamueltheUtahnite - "the supposed Mormon God is a bigot and racist". Our God is a kind God. Perhaps you made a decision not to live up to any covenants you may have made, but please...Romney is a good man and the right man for the job. Your behavior on here tells so much about you.

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

For your God's sake omegagal; your racist God wouldn't allow black people to be sealed to their loved ones and family until 1978, because they were "unworthy and cursed" since the pre-existence. According to your Prophets, God cursed them with black skin and a flat nose and many other things. That isn't a bigoted and racist God? Go learn your history Omegagal!!

omegagal (2 weeks ago)

SamueltheUtahnite - "For your God's sake..." Give me a break. You know nothing of God. I obviously know more history than you as well. You poke at the Prophets on things you know nothing of. Even in Old Testament times, there were skeptics and naysayers of the Prophets. I suppose as things have changed, things have also stayed the same.

issuesrgood (2 weeks ago)

its more like MORMONS DONT KNOW NOTHING OF GOD..all you idiots know how to do is twist stories around about Jesus,then to have an idiot named joseph smith claiming that he did more work for mankind than Jesus did OMG people you sound like you're helping satan himself trash God.. mormons dont have prophets of God the mormons have prophets of satan...

heidi95 (2 weeks ago)

Wow Mr(s) 'MORMONS DONT KNOW NOTHING' issuesrgood. You're pretty brilliant. Lots of idiots and 'prophets of satan'. Absolutely brilliant. That's way too clever. Really, who writes your stuff?

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

Okay, omeGAGal, please point out to me and everyone reading this, what I've said about your Mormon history that is wrong? What quotes have I fabricated? Do you really believe that I'm just making it all up? Have you never read the history of Mormonism, especially Brigham Young? Ever read the Journal Of Discourses? You really need to expand your horizon into reality and realize that it is you that knows nothing!!

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

This is your chance to shine OmeGAGal!! You can educate all of us anti-Mormons and expose us for our lies, deception and fraudulent comments and quotes. All I'm getting from you is how little I know and how much you know. So, quit bragging about your amazing wealth of knowledge and start spilling and sharing it, so that we can all be edified by you.

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

By the way; which God of the Old Testament are you so proud of? The vengeful, pissed off God that ordered mass executions of innocent men, women and children(about 3,000 that day), right after teaching "thou shalt not kill" to Moses? The God that endorsed slavery, abortion and rape? "Their women with child shall be ripped up". Yeah, he sounds pretty cool, doesn't he? Then he became the loving peaceful Jesus, like he'd done nothing, and taught love your neighbor and turn the other cheek? How pathetic!!

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

OmeGAGal, you have the right to believe what you do and I have the right to believe what I do. But, don't come on here telling me that "You know nothing of God, I obviously know more history than you as well" and "Our God is a kind God", while telling me what covenants I haven't lived up to. My question is; did you go through the Joe's Mormon temple back when you had to agree to slit open your throat(from ear to ear), chest and stomach, before "revealing the secrets of the temple?"

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

Unless you were a convert late in life, you did experience this. I found it awful then and even worse now, but I sadly went along with it, because I believed that the Mormon church was the "one and only true and living church on earth." Then again, why wouldn't the God of the Old Testament, want us to literally spill our blood for him, right? He loved it then, so why not now? If it wasn't animals being sacrificed, it was humans. Unless of course this unchanging, know everything God has "CHANGED?"

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

For everyone reading these comments, I very highly suggest that you all go over to iTunes and not only listen to my podcasts(Mormon Truth and Mormon Truth Uncensored), but the "Robert Ingersoll Podcast." It may be scary for many to listen to this podcast, because it makes so much sense and debunks and explains 99.9% of the superstitious views we hold, but it is powerful and AWESOME!! For you Joe lovers out there; Joseph Smith didn't hold a candle to Robert Ingersoll and his knowledge, common sense and wisdom.

heidi95 (2 weeks ago)

Hey there fraud. You are really getting into this masquerade. So you became interested in 'truth' about Mormonism recently, but I'm not buying it. I know a little about human nature; something doesn't jive with you. There are a number of challenging bits of Mormon doctrine and history as there are with all religions. You're either suggesting they are objectionable to you now and weren't before, or else you were deceived by the church and knew none of this beforehand.

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

Nice to meet you Heidi!! So, let's see, I'm first off a fraud...getting into my masquerade? Go read my blogs of 200+ posts Heidi, if you think I'm a fraud, okay? I'm not going to re-explain what is out there for anyone to read, that wants to take a few minutes to read and educate themselves. I also have 25 podcasts you can listen to, that explain things quite clearly. Something doesn't jive with me? What? That I discovered Mormonism was a fraud? Of course it doesn't jive, because you're in a cult!!

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

I'm glad that you are aware of Joseph Smith's 30+ wives, which included child brides of 14 years old, at least 10+ women that were already happily married(some pregnant). He did the Mother/daughter and sister/sister thing too. I'm glad you also know about the homicidal angel, that was going to slay poor Joseph with his flaming sword, if he didn't become an adulterer,pedophile and child rapist.

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

I could go on all day long, but again, I'm just glad that you knew all of this. I spent 30+ years as an active, true-believing member, which included many Sunday School and Priesthood lessons, 4 years of seminary, 2 months in the MTC, 22 months in Argentina, institute classes at BYU and nope, I was never taught any of this. How strange? I wonder why? Where and how did you learn all about it Heidi, I'm just curious? Too bad I wasn't in your ward I guess.

heidi95 (2 weeks ago)

I've read many of your posts; I actually have a life and can't read everything. Everything that you post as being objectionable are things most Mormons know and if you were a 'faithful member for 30 years' as you claim, you also no doubt knew about Mt. Meadows, Temple rites, concept of God, polygamy, priesthood exclusion, etc. You are being disingenuous in your presentation. You are obviously bitter. People who discover truth don't become bitter. Can you explain the bitterness?

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

So, Heidi, you expect me to believe that you have always known about Briggy's teachings of "death on the spot" for blacks that mix their seed with a white person? You knew about "better off dead" or in a pine box, than immoral? You knew that blacks were "CURSED" in the pre-existence because they were weak in support of Jesus' plan and God then "CURSED" them a "flat nose" and "black skin?"

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

You knew that Mt. Meadows was ordered by Brigham Young and carried out by a man that was his best friend, that he was sealed to in the temple? Did you know that John D. Lee, the man that executed innocent men, women and children, for Brigham Young, had his full temple blessings restored after First Presidency approval? Of course you knew that, because you know everything. Did you know that black women were also banned from the temple until 1978? Why was that?

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

It wasn't a Priesthood issue with the women, since they've never been able to have it? Now, you wonder where my bitterness comes from? Hmm...let's see, how about being lied to and defrauded for 30+ years? Could that be it? How about losing family members and best friends from my life, who will no longer even associate with me, because I simply asked them if they knew about Joseph Smith's polygamy? They don't even know about my blogs and podcasts. Do I really need to go on? Are you getting the picture yet?

heidi95 (2 weeks ago)

And as to your explanation of your bitterness, you don't have anything good to say about your 30+ years as a member? You didn't find any value in learning to love and serve your fellow man, avoiding harmful and addictive substances, raising children in a loving home and teaching them to be honorable and hard-working. Or are these doctrines you find objectionable?

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

Why don't you answer some of my statements regarding your wonderful church and official doctrines that have been taught and then I'll answer you. It appears that you want to avoid everything I've said, because you can't respond adequately. I get over 100 emails a week from people thanking me for what I do, so you are in the minority here. There are a lot of people suffering out there because of Mormonism and Mormon God forbid anyone should choose to leave the religion.

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

Also, I didn't need Mormonism in order to "learn to love and serve your fellow man, avoiding harmful and addictive substances, and raise children in a loving home and teach them to be honorable and hard-working." Are you saying that if it wasn't for Mormonism in your life, you'd be the opposite of all that?

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

If you weren't Mormon, you wouldn't "love and serve your fellow man, you wouldn't avoid harmful and addictive substances and wouldn't raise children in a loving home and teach them to be honorable and hard-working?" If that's the case, it's a sad statement about who you are.

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

My Parents were great people before they became Mormon, just because they wanted to be great, not because some religion told them to be. They added to Mormonism, Mormonism didn't add to them. Too bad more people don't just want to be good people and do good for themselves and others, and that they need a religion to compel them to do it.

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

Heidi, if you love your church so much, embrace every doctrine and teaching that has ever been taught, then what are you doing engaging me. I will never see what you see, believe what you believe or embrace what you embrace. If you really want to debate me, as I challenge everyone that is so disturbed by my supposed "lies and fraud"; come on my podcast and do an interview with me and mop up the ground with me and prove to the world what a phony I truly am.

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

I will debate anyone anytime regarding Mormonism, because I know the truth and the facts. You see Heidi, I have an insight that you don't have; I've been on both sides of the fence and you are stuck on one side and refuse to even acknowledge that anything I say is or could be the truth. I went from a true-believer like you, with my head buried in the sand; to being illuminated with the truth. You don't even have a clue what I'm talking about or the pain that us ex-Mormons suffer through.

omegagal (1 week ago)

SamueltheUtahnite- If you know so much about the church then you know I would never toss pearls before the swine. I'm sorry you suffer pain.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

Well, omeGAGal, you are the one that knows so much about me and the church. You know about "my covenants and which ones I don't want to follow" and that my "behavior tells you so much about me." "I know nothing of God" and that you "know more history than I do as well." You claim that "I know nothing of the Prophets." Now, you don't want to "toss pearls before the swine?" A little late, isn't it?

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

I seriously doubt you are sincere, but thanks for showing sympathy for ex-Mormon's pain. LOL!! Also, I'm glad that you see me as a waste of time and swine!! Also, thanks for confirming to me why I don't want to associate any longer with people like you, that take Mormonism to a ridiculous, fanatical level and think that all others are below them, because after all, they are gonna be Gods or Priestesses someday. Good luck on "your worlds without number." What a damn cult!!

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

Bottom line omeGAGal, is that unless you live in Communist China or some other Communist country, we are all free to express ourselves. I've found what I believe to be true and you've found what you believe to be true. One of us is "dead wrong" and it's either you or me. As Hinckley and others have said; either Mormonism is true or a huge fraud. Using the Prophet's quote, I'm siding with the latter and I'm very confident in my views, which are fully supported by the facts and truth.

heidi95 (1 week ago)

Several of my posts from 10/28 don't appear here, so I could blame it on a conspiracy between STU and YouTube. ;) One of the things I had to say, is NOPE, I don't get it (the bitterness explanation). Maybe you were exceptionally naive as a member, and just found enlightenment. What is your angle? (Do you embrace another religious viewpoint)

heidi95 (1 week ago)

Several of the assumptions you've made about me are incorrect; hardly something I'd expect from one who considerers themselves skilled at gathering facts. Given your reticence at indulging my curiosity and resorting to rapid-fire "how do you explain this"-type questioning, I'll assume I'm stumbling on something uncomfortable. Did you develop your anti-LDS beliefs by yourself, or did any family (e.g. wife) join you?

heidi95 (1 week ago)

Considering several of your video posts, including one with Elder Packer photo-shopped as a Nazi, you appear to have doctrinal issues with homosexuality. Would you dare admit on here if you are gay? If so, I honestly feel for you. I'm not being flippant; I know it isn't easy being gay and LDS. I've witnessed a friend of mine battle with from feelings of same-sex attraction and his love for the church.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

I was naive? So you knew that Joseph Smith was having sexual intercourse with 14 year olds, other men's wives and many other teenagers behind Emma's back? And you were okay with that? Where did you learn it? I really want to know the source of your knowledge and who taught it to you. Was it in Sunday School, Relief Society, Sacrament meeting, The MTC, Institute classes or just a neighbor or family member that taught you the truth? I'm not aware of these things being openly discussed in church or anywhere else.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

Okay, which assumptions about you are wrong? You keep stating things but never say what exactly you are talking about. Also, how am I supposed to gather facts about you? Do you want to give me your social and I'll run a background check or what? All I can go on, is what you've said, which started out with you calling me a "fraud" and saying that "this is just a masquerade I'm pulling" and that "I'm disingenuous in my presentation." All of this was covered in your first 2 comments.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

Now, I threw several things out there, because you did the same thing, when you mentioned "Mt. Meadows, Temple rites, concept of God, polygamy, priesthood exclusion, etc", in your 2nd comment. Then I dealt with several of the things that YOU brought up, and you said, regarding my responses: "Given your reticence at indulging my curiosity and resorting to rapid-fire "how do you explain this"-type questioning, I'll assume I'm stumbling on something uncomfortable."

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

I would say you're clearly the uncomfortable one Heidi, not me!! You're the one that doesn't want to deal with or discuss these issues, not me. I even invited you onto my podcast(where thousands listen), to openly and fairly debate these issues, for all to hear. No comment by you of course. I'm the one trying to be open and discuss the issues and it is you that wants to turn it all around, not address one issue and just make it all about me, and that I might be a homosexual, etc.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

I truly feel sorry for you Heidi, because you obviously don't have a clue. By the way, after literally thousands of hours of personal study, over the last 16 months, I've developed my own anti-Mormon beliefs. I have read many other's experiences, to help confirm what I've already learned and I've also been able to reflect on my own experiences and those of family members and friends. I have quite a few people in my family that have done their own research and agree with my conclusions and have stopped attending the Mormon church.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

I also have many family members and friends that cut me off, just because I mentioned the beloved Joe's polygamy issues. I simply asked them if they knew of Joe's polygamy and that was that. I was called a liar and told that I should be ashamed of myself, because I was speaking such lies about such a great and noble man and I'm a returned missionary. These people that have cut me off, which includes a best friend of over 30 years, don't even know anything about my blogs or podcasts, as I've mentioned before.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

I have a relative(whose family cut me off when I brought up Joe's polygamy), that was taught just last year in seminary, that polygamy was started by Brigham Young and it was only because so many women needed husbands and to have their kids taken care of, because so many men died in wars, etc. What a crock of shit!! And you wonder why it is such a shock for so many people? Go to the new Mormon, Joseph Smith site and it's all about Joe, Emma and their love, with no mention of polygamy at all.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

Now, to deal with your last, pathetic comment Heidi, the one where you assumed that I'm homosexual; I'm the furthest thing from homosexual that there could be. You talk about assumptions I've made about you being wrong? Are you a lesbian Heidi? I just thought by the way you expressed yourself, you were probably gay...give me a break!! Of course I'd admit it if I was gay, would you admit it to everyone if you were a lesbian Heidi? Also, spare gay people your "sympathy", when in reality, you don't give a shit!!

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

I love how our discussion had to evolve away from all the issues(that you refused to address), into wondering if I'm gay and then you, acting and pretending like you are some non-judgmental person that cares, understands and loves gays, when you belong to a completely homophobic, anti-gay organization, which you strongly support. Cut the BS Heidi!! By the way, what if I was gay? Would that wash away every truth that I've spoken about the Mormon Hierarchy and their history riddled with skeleton after skeleton. So people that are gay, that discover Mormonism is a fraud, have no credibility, because they are gay?

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

Let me explain something to you Heidi and why I defend gay people(which you probably won't understand); I was a die-hard, Mormon true-believer for over 30 years. I was anti-gay, homophobic, said some horrible things and I often made some typical religious, bigoted jokes about Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, etc. I'm ashamed of my former beliefs and my homophobia, which came directly from Mormonism. Now, I'm full of love, compassion, understanding and sympathy for these folks; so that makes me gay, right?

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

I mean after all Heidi, how can anyone stand up for gay people unless they're gay, right? You should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourself and your homophobic views and church. I've written several posts on my blog in defense of gays, both against the Mormon church and the Evangelicals and Christians and I've received many Emails both thanking and condemning me. Also, the favorite thing for these people to do, is say that "I must be gay." It's obviously a problem issue for you Heidi, not me.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

So, you could say that I'm REPENTING of my past sins and doing all I can to make up for my past behavior, which was less than honorable. I feel sorry for your gay friends Heidi, I really do. Just because someone is homosexual, doesn't mean that they need to be demonized by people and churches. I love how the Mormon church seeks them out, even when they are just minding their own business, in order to haul them into a "court of love", in order to excommunicate, humiliate, embarrass and disgrace them. Shock therapy using porno, done right at BYU as a cure? Please educate yourself Heidi!!

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

I do not believe in or represent any church/cult and I never will again. I do believe in the next life, but I don't believe in the "eternal separation plan" of Mormonism. I also don't believe in the fanatical, Evangelical, Christian plan of "condemning everyone to burn in hell and lose their soul forever", If they don't believe exactly as they do. These teachings are awful(worse than Mormonism) and are only used to give them power and authority, and to instill fear in the innocent, God-fearing people and to generate revenue, for said churches. Just ask Chucky Smith of the Calvary network of churches.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

Eternal families? Yeah, only if you are a near perfect Mormon in this life. Even those that were great and noble people, who accept "the gospel" in the next life and have their temple work done, will be in the Terrestrial Kingdom. I believe that if people live a good life, treat others well and do the best they can, they will be just fine and with their loved ones. No religion is required for this. Of course Mormons believe that they have the "restored gospel" which is "the one and only true church."

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

One last thing Heidi; Why would any God condemn good, honest people, just because they didn't belong to a certain church? That's insanity!! Just because some person didn't become Mormon in this life, they're screwed for all eternity and separated from their families forever? Is that what you truly believe? Former Prophet Spencer W. Kimball spoke of a couple that was tragically killed and hadn't taken out their temple endowment.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

Kimball said: "Some time ago, in deep anguish, a mother came to see me. She was left alone. Her son and his wife met with an accident, leaving several small children. She came with many regrets and told me that the young victims of a plane crash had not been married in the temple. Both coming from good families, they had either ignored it or postponed it. They had lived the majority of their lifetime on the earth and still had not had this ordinance performed."

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

"This accident left them separated. The statement "till death do you part" left them single and their children orphans. Of course, someone can have the work done in the temple for these young people after they have been dead a year, but will those young people accept the ordinances in death which were of such "little consequence" to them while they lived? And, more important than all else, do you think that GOD WOULD BE THUSLY MOCKED?"

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

"He is the God of the LIVING and NOT OF THE DEAD(so much for temples eh?). He identified this ordinance as one to be done by the living THEMSELVES. Have you ever realized that there is no magic in death, that ceasing to breathe does not make angels of CARELESS people, does not make believers of disbelievers, does not bring faith where there was skepticism?"(The Marriage Decision," Ensign, Feb. 1975, 2)

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

So, Heidi, what is the point of temples? God of the LIVING, not the DEAD? Would "GOD BE THUSLY MOCKED?" You tell me Heidi. It clearly appears to me, that according to this speech(which is originally from an address given at the Stockholm, Sweden, Area Conference August, 1974), President Kimball renders their billions of dollars in temples, to be useless and for "MOCKING GOD." How could anyone misunderstand what he just said? Was he loving and compassionate? I look forward to your response Heidi.

heidi95 (1 week ago)

Woowee! We've touched off a firestorm here. Didn't quite expect a Bill Clinton meltdown. But I'm learning more about you. I'm looking forward to responding, after I finish preparing for and enjoying my Halloween party. Just one final question for you to mull while I'm away; were you this pleasant 16 months ago, or is this all part of the new you?

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

This is a meltdown and firestorm? We can't have a conversation without you considering it a meltdown? I thought I was pretty calm and just stating my opinions and the facts and asking your questions you refuse to even answer. Now if I was saying F this, F that and F you, calling you a B and using massive profanity, over and over, that would be a meltdown dear. You won't give me your Email address, won't come on my podcast and won't answer my questions; so I have no other way than to communicate with you, except through YouTube messages, which are limited in length and regularity, as you should already know.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

I'm only unpleasant in your eyes, because I'm saying a lot of difficult things that you don't want to hear, respond to, nor deal with. I mean after all, I could have gotten pretty nasty and justifiably so, when you made an ass of yourself and started to state that you knew my sexuality, which was wrong and had nothing to do with our conversation. You know a person is desperate, when it gets to that point. Why would you even do that?

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

I can't help it if you are homophobic and wish to fabricate things about people that don't exist, in order to deflect from the issues at hand, which you won't and can't deal with, right? So, enjoy your Halloween!! What are you gonna dress up as? Fanny Alger, Helen Mar Kimball or Emma Smith? Those would all be great choices for you, especially since adultery, pedophilia and child brides don't seem to bother you at all. Pay tribute to one of the women that your church refuses to even acknowledge existed!!

heidi95 (1 week ago)

This is just too much fun! Had to take a brief break from work. STU: "This is a meltdown and firestorm?" I would say it's a class 2 meltdown. Just enough to be enjoyable. STU: "We can't have a conversation without you considering it a meltdown?" This must be a trick question. Certainly it is possible to have a conversation without my considering it is a meltdown. The question is, it is possible to have a sane, honest, intelligent discussion with STU? I can't answer that.

heidi95 (1 week ago)

STU: "Now if I was saying F this, F that and F you, calling you a B and using massive profanity, over and over, that would be a meltdown dear." No, that would be a class 3 meltdown. And you had better not call me 'dear', lest your wife find out. ;)

heidi95 (1 week ago)

My Halloween costume? I was going to go as you, but I couldn't hike my pants to my armpits. :D

jhuston7 (1 week ago)

Heidi95, I spent 40 years as a Mormon, missionary in Brazil, Bishoprics, Stake callings and temple officiator. Guess what? SamueltheUtahite is completely right in what he has said. Being 31 you have probably never heard about the death oaths in the temple or swearing to avenge Joseph Smith against the government of the United States. Look up the Danites. Study a little bit about your so called church.

jhuston7 (1 week ago)

I would no more vote for a Mormon than shoot one of my children. Recently having his campaign tied to the Mormon Church further shows the religious ties and debt that he feels. I don't want those old white men in bad fitting suits running the country, and that is what would happen. He is their "boy."

issuesrgood (1 week ago)

heidi are you another mormon girl who feels the need to compete with the holiness that the catholic girls were taught how to be in catholic school... well it really looks dumb when you do it because you're a mormon APE and the catholic girls arent,hahahaha

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

Well Heidi, you are a real gem and I'll call you dear if I want to, as it wasn't meant with any affection, trust me!! In any case, unless you are A)willing to go over to my Mormon truth site, where comments aren't limited in length or regularity or B)give me your Email address so that we can continue this debate without limitations or C)come on my podcast with no advance preparation from either side;

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

I'm done with this conversation as I have better things to do and "decent", "good" people to help. I'm just wasting my time with some Mormon Apologist, that won't deal with one single issue and has no interest in honest debate, rather just personal attacks to the point of trying to state my sexuality, as if that would have any bearing on any conversation with anyone, regarding the fraud of Mormonism. Now that's pathetic and you are indeed an embarrassment to yourself, your family and church. You must be buddies with DCP?

rdhowelljr (1 week ago)

Samuelthe Utahnite is scorned by the church and is, simply, obsessed with it. After having viewed his blog and corresponding websites, it is clear that he needs to get a new hobby...maybe model airplanes or stamp collecting.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

Hey RD, if you got as many Emails as I get, from people thanking me for what I do, you'd understand why I continue doing it. The Mormon church is destroying and tearing apart families and individuals every single day and somebody has to counter them, every single day. People need to know the truth and need to know that there is network of people that think what they think and feel what they feel. Maybe it's you that needs a hobby?!!

issuesrgood (1 week ago)

exactly samuel, you should hear how vulgar the mormons get when you go into the christian 25 chatroom wow they get foul when you try to expose them in there hahaha

heidi95 (1 week ago)

You really are mental and have some nerve after sending me email calling me an a**hole, dumb b#tch, sick a%% mormon, c#^t, etc.(This wasn't a response to me, rather to issuesrgood or somebody else, as I have no facts whatsoever, as to who sent her that Email, which was obviously wrong to do and something that I'd never do. But it clearly helps to show her hypocrisy, doesn't it? Ironic, isn't it, that she can assume I'm a homosexual, and many other false assumptions, but God help us all if someone calls her some bad names. I think Mormons like her feel as if it's okay and justified, to say to you or call you whatever they want, as long as they don't use any of the "forbidden profanity", or "vulgar terms", which are from Satan himself.)

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

While we are on the subject, here is a list of names I've been called by supposed "Good Mormons", over the last year.

I've been called:

A son of perdition, the spawn of Satan, the devil, one of Satan's angels, a rapist, demonic, worse than a murderer, pure evil, Satan, Satan's Helper, I punch a time clock for Satan every morning, I'm too angry, weak, highly offensive, I use pornographic pictures on my sites, I use F-bombs everywhere on my blog and in my podcasts, pathetic, a liar....

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SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

....a homosexual, a fag, a bastard, SOB, drug addict, piece of f'n shit, covering up big sins, wanting to sin, an alcoholic, and most recently, along with dick and asshole, that I should "check into pedophilia as an alternative lifestyle", because of my willingness to defend and stand up for homosexuals and their rights; and many more other, even more offensive terms, all starting with the F bomb. So, when people say that I'm overreacting or too angry...I'm like..."do you even know me pal?!!"

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

Now, the ironic thing is that most of these people claim to be "true-believers", and after trashing me with me every name in the book; they bear their testimony of how true the church is and that I need to pray about it, use Moroni's promise, etc. If this is the type of person they've become as a Mormon, and what Mormonism has taught them; who would want to be like them? Just like Heidi above; they are an embarrassment and disgrace to themselves, families and church. This also goes for you fanatical, nut-job Christians out there and you know who you are.

TexasCBert (1 week ago)

GOOD GOD y'all are FREAKIN NUTS!!! You can't do anything positive with your lives? I originally came here to learn more about Mitt Romney, but I can't continue to read this pathetic nonsense without saying something.

TexasCBert (1 week ago)

A few years ago while on a biz trip to Phoenix I went to lunch with some guys from the office I was visiting. In the group was a Mormon and a Catholic and religion was a topic. One thing I remember being said by the Catholic guy was something like "I may not believe in Mormonism, but I'll defend Mormons." Apparently his wife had abandoned him and his kids and the local Mormon congregation pitched in to help him out. I'd forgotten that story until now. The Mormons need some defending.

TexasCBert (1 week ago)

Over the years, I've met and worked with many Mormons, and they have always been hardworking, friendly, kind, honest... I can tell they are people who really believe in and live their religion. The world would be a lot better off if there were more people like them. I work with a couple of Utah-based vendors and made two business trips there this year. I've been impressed with the quality of the community when I visit. A lot of that is attributable, no doubt, to Mormons and their church.

TexasCBert (1 week ago)

So, being a political junkie with a conservative bent, I can't help but be impressed with Mitt Romney. As far as I'm concerned, with what I know of Mormons, his religion is a positive thing. I don't know if he will be the candidate I end up supporting, but from what I've seen of him, I'm very impressed and hopeful he will choose to run.

TexasCBert (1 week ago)

I understand there is no shortage of freaks in the world and we have more than our quota here on this board. Just with the few things I've written here previously, I've received hateful mail calling me such intelligent things as "mormon lover". Are we seriously that childish? I blocked the issuesrgood freak, who has posted here, from sending me more mail, due to his bigoted drivel.

TexasCBert (1 week ago)

This is a board of hate and hate-enablers. Jessicadeaun, ichbinarbeiten and jhuston7, you are frighteningly shallow. jhuston7 you are just a little creepy.

TexasCBert (1 week ago)

SamuelTheUtahnite, you really are a text-book case for a psychology class. You've got to chill with the hate, man! I hadn't even said ANYTHING about Mormonism and you were blasting me: "how the hell do you even know what you talking about regarding Mormonism". I'd never claimed to. And WHERE THE HELL do you get off calling heidi95 homophobic for simply asking a question? Yet you blasted her for "questioning" your "sexuality". Truly, WHO is the liar here?!?!

TexasCBert (1 week ago)

This is all borderline hysterical. You all are so wrapped up in your hatred you can't see your hypocrisy. SamuelTheUtahnite, if you are even remotely in person what you are like on this board, I'd be amazed if any family would ever talk to you. Respect, no doubt, isn't part of your vocabulary. Take it from me; you kids are seriously messed up!! I'm sure there will be plenty of "intelligent" rebuttals from the freak brigade. No matter. I've said my peace.

heidi95 (1 week ago)

My hero!

heidi95 (1 week ago)

I know everyone missed me. Especially you, STU. ;)

There is a lot to say, and I'd prefer to say it all in one pass—but it's hard to make the time (I don't know how everyone has so much time to be on here). I'll get started, but might have to finish later.

I've been LDS my whole life, but that doesn't mean I haven't had my struggles. I've had my faith challenged on many occasions. There really hasn't been anything brought up here I haven't heard before.

heidi95 (1 week ago)

I've grown up with family and friends questioning and trashing the faith. In recent years, I've had deep conversations with friends as they've had their faith challenged and as some have chosen to leave the church. Previously I enjoyed playing the apologist role. I noticed a pattern with people as they chose to reject the faith. Almost always it is presented as a discovery of 'truth'. Often, upon a little examination, you discover that the 'truth' argument becomes convenient.

heidi95 (1 week ago)

As I've watched friends and acquaintances accept the LDS faith and join in fellowship with other members, there never has been any bitterness with their previous faith, even though several of them left their previous places of worship. As John says, truth sets us free. One close friend said he could no longer believe, and he left the church. We remained friends afterward. He was honest in his belief and fundamentally remained the same person. There was no bitterness. He also felt free.

heidi95 (1 week ago)

I firmly believe that when people are truly honest in their beliefs, they are happy and at peace with themselves. There is no bitterness. I contrast that with the individuals I've known who have conveniently 'discovered' fraudulent aspects of the LDS church, coincidentally at the same time they have other issues with the church. Instead of a reason, it is an excuse and they descend on a bitter spiral to inflict as much damage as they possible can.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

Heidi, you weren't missed at all, but at least you were decent in your latest comments and not condescending, which was a big step for you. If you had treated your friends as you treated me on this thread, they would no longer be your friends. I want to state that you like to generalize and lump all ex-Mormons into one big pile, like we are all drones and all the same, with personal issues and problems. Like your last comment, you are stating that we "conveniently 'discovered' fraudulent aspect of the LDS church", basically as an excuse.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

I was perfectly happy in "the church", before I began my journey to the truth. I wasn't looking for anything negative or a way to destroy what I'd treasured my whole life since birth, and sacrificed greatly for, rather things just popped out on me, here and there over quite some time. One day, I decided to examine some of these things, which led to another thing and another thing and I soon realized that what I'd been taught my entire life, in primary, in Priesthood, in Sunday school, in seminary, the MTC, on my mission, in institute...

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

...at BYU and in church books; was just a fairy tale full of lies and half-truths and just "the truth" that they, the Mormon Hierarchy wanted me to know, leaving out many very important details. I was shocked, dismayed, stunned, depressed, devastated, furious and many other adjectives. My blog started as a way to express my outrage and anger. I needed an outlet and even RFM wouldn't allow me to freely express my opinions and censored me hypocritically, while allowing Steve Benson to go wild and trash people up one side and down the other.(I think he's paying their bills or something)

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

Soon after though, I started receiving hundreds of Emails, continuing to this day, thanking me for helping them know, that someone else felt the same pain they did. This Heidi, is something that you know nothing about!! I've had almost 85,000 page views on my blogs, my podcasts are listened to over 15,000 times/month and my videos have been viewed over 34,000 times, in about 2 months. I've literally received thousands of Emails, 95% thanking me and that is why I do what I do, not that you care.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

It's funny Heidi, how you can be so judgmental of ex-Mormons and know exactly why we do what we do, when you've never been one. I AM at peace with myself, like never before in my life, even though I've paid a heavy price with family/friends, for knowing the truth and asking them some basic questions about it. I'd rather stand up for truth, be educated and know what's going on, than live my life with blinders on and my head in the sand. However, some people are happy that way, enjoy cults and are free to believe whatever they want. I'm clearly not one of those people.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

As far as you go Texasbert; you are one of the least informed, arrogant, know-it-alls that I've encountered yet, in my journey and you aren't even Mormon, which is the real kicker. You can't even begin to understand the psychological, emotional and spiritual ramifications of being a true-believing Mormon, your entire life and then finding out one day, suddenly, that it's all a huge pile of steaming bullshit. I respect people that are respectful of me and you are/were not respectful, therefore neither am/was I.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

Funny how my "exposing the truth", is "hate" to you, a non-Mormon, who knows nothing of which I speak of, especially when it comes to Mormon doctrines and their lies and fraud. It would be like me attacking some ex-Catholic dude, because he was passionately exposing Catholicism. I would tell him, "hey, I know plenty of Catholics that are great people." What the hell would that have to do with "the facts" that he was exposing, if it was the truth and he'd spent his entire life as a Catholic. Who would I be to tell him he was a clueless dumbass?

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

First of all, I don't ever go out and seek non-members to ATTACK them, but if they come to me and attack me, I will indeed attack back and deservedly so. My attacks on my blogs and in my podcasts are directed toward the corrupt Mormon Hierarchy, not the average member. I also attack those that are "Mormon Apologists", like Heidi, that know the truths and then defend them. I've now been on both sides and I understand both sides, while Heidi only understand one side. You Texasbert, ironically(because of your arrogance), understand neither side, yet are an authority.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

Also, there are some things that you should know about Utah, Texasbert; this place is not heaven on earth, by any stretch of the imagination. Now, I also know many wonderful Mormon people, many which are my friends and family and their families. However, Utah is also the fraud capital of the USA and is known as "the cesspool of pyramid schemes." Utah is always at the top of the list in suicides, bankruptcies, use of anti-depressants and Ponzi schemes. Why is this?

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

Of course, it has nothing to do with Mormonism, right, even though Utah is still about 65%+ Mormon? Again, Texasbert, don't pretend to know so much about something you know nothing about. Now, if you think Mormonism is so wonderful and the people are so great and the world would be a better place with more of them; why don't you become a Mormon?!! It would be a natural step, wouldn't it? I also noticed that you conveniently ignored the comments I left, listing all of the things and names, that these "wonderful" Mormons have called me over the last year.

cpulfer (4 days ago)

GO MITT!!!

issuesrgood (4 days ago)

a mormon for president of this country would be as disastrous as having osama or saddam as leader of this country... barbaric minded mormons need to live with those terrorists they're so much alike in alot of ways

drgonzojohnson (1 month ago)

Sam, you rule, I'm glad to see somebody has some common sense thanks for fighting the good fight

zaruka (1 month ago)

Members of cults should not be elected president, particularly members of the magic underwear cult. I hope he runs so we can expose this nonsense. Hey, can the three Nephites vote more than once???

raysrealm (2 weeks ago)

Garments are a lost Christian tradition

The Christians required special garments and priestly robes and vestments to be worn in the temple. Though most Christians today don't do temple worship anymore, doesn't mean some bigot Christian who's forgotten his oun foundations mock the a person's garments.

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

So what do these garments do for you Raysrealm? Do they actually serve any purpose? Do they protect you from bullets and fire? Does it depend on your worthiness? J. Willard Marriott(current Area Seventy-Virginia area), told a great story about how he was in a boat fire and what was covered by garments, didn't get burned...Wow!! Too bad they didn't protect the 6 missionaries that were killed over the last year. I guess they weren't living worthily or God need them for missionary work in heaven, right?

raysrealm (2 weeks ago)

The garments are worn as a private 'reminder' that one has made covenants, and it is regarded as a 'form' of protection from 'Satan'. In a practical sense protection against temptation not any magical protection. I think you'd simply be less likely to break your temple covenants while you are wearing the garments, cause its like a string around your finger. You can find accounts of people believing they were miraculously protected physically and tributing the garments (the 60 Minutes show).

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

Ray, do you even know the history of garments in Mormonism? Joseph went to Emma and told her to get together with the relief society and make something they could wear. Emma and the relief society created garments and the temple clothes, not Joseph. They used to go to the wrist and ankle, weren't available in two pieces, rather just the one piece with the shit flap in the back, a collar, strings, etc. But yeah, it came from God, in a direct revelation and he didn't even know how to make them?

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

Here's some info regarding the history of garments:

After careful and prayerful consideration it was unanimously decided that the following modifications may be permitted, and a garment of the following style be worn by those Church members who WISH TO ADOPT IT, namely:

(1) Sleeve to elbow.

(2) Leg just below knee.

(3) Buttons instead of strings.

(4) Collar eliminated.

(5) Crotch CLOSED.(Thank the Mormon God for that one...LOL!! I'm sure Joseph Smith preferred the "CROTCH WIDE OPEN AND READY TO GO GARMENTS!!")

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

It may be observed that no fixed pattern of Temple garment has ever been given, and that the present style of garment differs very materially from that in use in the early history of the Church, at which time a garment without collar and with buttons was frequently used.(Letter of the First Presidency, 14 June 1923, Heber J. Grant Letter Books; pp. 436,437)

Of course, it was previously stated by Prophet Joseph F Smith, that no changes could EVER be made. OOPS AGAIN!! That's not leading astray is it? Oh yeah, God would have removed him if it was, so I guess not.

raysrealm (1 week ago)

Once again, you are randomly spouting 'your' problems that don't appear to corrispond to anything I've said. You were trying minimize as a possibility that the garments physically protected anyone. What the heck is wrong with you?

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

To the contrary, if you had any brain capacity to comprehend the written word. I was clearly pointing out, that according to past Prophets and Apostles, that garments were not even created by Joseph Smith, had no set or divine origins for their design or purpose. In fact, they were only worn by polygamists to distinguish them from the "normal folks" and not worn by women at all, in the beginning. Garments clearly do nothing to protect anyone, spiritually or physically, as they claim they do. If they do protect anyone, it's only psychological.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

I just felt the need to give you a little history lesson about one of the many things, that you appear to know nothing about, despite your "I know it all, I'm gonna be a God someday arrogance." What about having to cut out and burn the symbols of the garments, when you throw them away? What's that all about? Us ex-Mormons should get together and have a garment burning party; now that would be fun.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

But they're just reminders of your covenants, right? Sounds like much more than that to me. Ask the 6 missionaries that recently died in the last year, or the 2 Sisters that were brutally, violently and repeatedly raped, for several hours in South Africa, if garments protected them from harm. Don't tell me you didn't hear miraculous stories growing up, at church or Seminary or from other Mormons or friends or even from your parents; stories just like the one Marriott told on 60 minutes.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 month ago)

LMAO!! Thanks Zaruka for that comment about the 3 Nephites!! I mean hey, if they are roaming around the earth with John, doing all of these good deeds, then Mitt will definitely and easily win right? He's probably meeting with them as we write this. I mean, they'll be slipping in after hours and rigging all the machines, changing vote totals, etc. It had been a while since I had thought about the 3 Nephites(sneaky little Devils) and what role they play in all of this....thanks for the reminder. Also, thanks Drgon for your comment as well!!

issuesrgood (1 month ago)

as i said before we need more people like you samuel.. to expose the filthy liars like the mormons

MGM12 (3 weeks ago)

Mitt's a competent chief executive and a good man. 'Nuff said.

SamueltheUtahnite (3 weeks ago)

Yeah, and "Noah's ark" is the weirdest thing about Mormonism, right? It's okay, Mitt's just practicing and tuning up his lying, for when he's officially running for President and everybody and their dog, want to know why he believes what he does and is a member of such a freaky cult and wears magic underwear, that protect him from fire and bullets. But hey, at least if Mitt Romney wins, he won't need the secret service to protect him, right? I mean all he needs are those holy, magic garments. That would save the tax payers some money for sure...LOL!!

raysrealm (2 weeks ago)

It's related to the Biblical concepts of priestly robes and vestments and the garment itself representing the garments God gave Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden.

Ancient texts such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Nag Hammadi codices, the pseudepigrapha, and Rabbinic and early Christian literature have much to say about the ritual significance of sacred vestments.

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

Yeah, is that why Joseph Smith wasn't wearing his garments the day he was killed? Just think; the bullets would have deflected off of them, if he was worthy, right? Of course he also wasn't obeying the word of wisdom the night before either, as he paid for and then drank wine with the guards and his fellow prisoners and got drunk. He also had a gun smuggled in, which he shot 3 guys with, two dying, before yelling his Masonic statement from the window.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

Sorry Raysrealm, I inadvertently removed one of your comments, thinking I was clicking on the reply button and it was the remove button. You're probably like, "yeah right, I did it on purpose, etc", but I didn't.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

I have no reason whatsoever, to delete your comments, so please, if you keep a copy of your comments, please repost this one, to put in context my next comment, which was a response to that comment. It was in response to my comment above of why Joseph wasn't wearing garments when he was killed. I was just gonna respond to it, when I deleted your comment. You said something about "Joseph took off his garments, because he knew he was going to be killed."

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

The fact is, Joseph removed his garments and ordered all of those with him, to also remove theirs. I believe Hyrum did, but John Taylor did not and neither did Willard Richards, who both declined. Both lived, with Willard Richards completely unharmed, and John Taylor surviving the gunshots, which is where the myth about protecting you physically or from bullets, came from. But why would Joseph really remove his garments and order all others to do the same thing and why did they decline? Interesting, isn't it? Maybe their belief in the church or garments was stronger than Joseph's, because after all, he was THE ONE, that knew it was all bullshit.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

"Smith removed his own endowment "robe" or garment before he went to Carthage Jail and told those with him to do likewise. His nephew Joseph F. Smith later explained, "When Willard Richards was solicited [by Smith] to do the same, he declined, and it seems little less than marvelous that he was preserved without so much as a bullet piercing his garments."" (Heber J. Grant journal sheets, 7 June 1907, LDS Archives.)

Tayloram (3 weeks ago)

Romney responds to the interviewer by claiming that she 'hasn't got the doctrines exactly right' and that 'it isn't his job to discuss doctrine'. Both these statements are false. The Mormons believe that Jesus will return to Independence Miss and that it is the responsibility of all Melchizedek Priests to present the faith.

SamueltheUtahnite (3 weeks ago)

Thank you Taylor, you are exactly right!! Oh yeah and the JS Prophecy, that everyone talks about, saying that the US constitution will "hang by a thread" and it will be the Mormon church to the rescue. I used to love that one, knowing that the Mormon church was going to save the USA one day, gathered in all the temples around the world, communicating with each other, etc. Boy, I was one deluded cult member and I'm glad to be in the "real world" now. But yeah, Romney says to "go talk to the church." What a joke!!

raysrealm (2 weeks ago)

He not as much of a joke you. You were a deluded member, yet now you aren't and are violantly attacking the faith... Yeah, right. I've seen this act many times, you weren't a member. You're an anti-Mormon trying to use Romney conversational discussions as if they are worthy of legalistic scrutiny against Mormons.

SamueltheUtahnite (2 weeks ago)

Oh, I'm a joke and you support and defend a racist, homophobic organization? I wasn't a member? Are you just a dumbass, or you do you play one on YouTube? I was a die-hard member for 30+ years, did 4 years of seminary, served 2 years in Argentina, went to BYU/Institute, got married in the temple, had many callings and then one day; I discovered the truth, that Mormonism is nothing but a big pile of steaming lies and shit!!

raysrealm (2 weeks ago)

I still don't believe you, you're pretending to have kind of authority so people will trust what you say is true. You tell people some stupid cospiracy theory that Mitt Romney is going to put the Mormon Church in charge of the country. Yeah, right. You're a two-bit hack.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

Raysrealm, you don't have to believe me and I don't give a damn if you do or not. If you had spent any time at all, on my blog, reading story after story, about my personal experiences, especially on my mission; you wouldn't doubt me for a second. I know that die-hard, true-believing Mormons have a hard time believing that someone would leave for anything other than some great sin, because that BS is pounded into your head through indoctrination, from a very young age.

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

So, what would be my motive genius? I'm not trying to shove another religion down people's throat, like the insane, fanatical, Evangelical Christians are doing; but I've spent literally thousands of hours, and my savings, over the last 18 months doing this? Why? Just for fun and kicks? I have 1200+ pages of journal entries, from my mission, sitting right next to me, that are all fabricated and make believe too, right?!! I'd be glad to Email you an entire page out of my journal if you really need proof.

drewross11 (2 weeks ago)

samuel im sorry, are you pro mit romney? the video you posted of him is extremely favorable to him, he answered the question extremely well, i dont know much about religion but i do know a lot about politics and you are one dumb mother fuck samuel.. your against mormons but you post this video that makes romney look good... hahahahahaha. /me spits in your face.

becca135 (2 weeks ago)

Oh my!!! I can't believe he used the biblical story of Noah's Ark to say that is what's strange about Mormonism. It is so obvious what he is doing here. Very planned out, he's trying to make Mormonism sound like Christianity. So when it's self serving he will talk in biblical terms, and then when the conversation leans towards Mormonism, he's going to say he doesn't discuss church issues... "ask the church about that". Sly, clever, like a fox. Too bad he won't get away with it.

sanpaco13 (2 weeks ago)

Wow he owned that reporter. Haha.

aaronshaf2006 (1 week ago)

MittAndMormonism[dot]com

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

Thanks for commenting here Aaron; but please don't try to push your fanatical, egotistical and pathetic Evangelical agenda here, because I won't stand for it. The way that you and your pals, like Eric Hoffman and others(like the one you did that show with, that's on Google Video), outright condemn everyone in the world with a blanket, that doesn't believe what you do, is FAR FAR WORSE THAN ANYTHING THE MORMONS ARE CURRENTLY DOING. In fact, you make Mormons look normal!! Now, GO CONDEMN SOMEONE!!

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

Just so everyone knows who this Aaron Shaf dude is; he is a fanatical, Evangelical preacher(on a 'convert Mormons to Evangelical Christianity' mission); like the ones you see in the video I posted and he is really into the street preaching, where you shout at people and condemn them to their face, etc. I've seen the guy in action and it's some pretty sad stuff. He believes, like Eric Hoffman(and is his buddy), that ALL Mormons will burn in hell with Satan, just for being Mormon, BUT, "THEY LOVE MORMONS."

SamueltheUtahnite (1 week ago)

I will say this in defense of Mormonism; they may be arrogant as well, believing that they have the "one and only true church", that all other religions are "abominations", with "corrupt preachers" and "false doctrines"; but at least they aren't in your face, trying to degrade you, at your place of worship. These guys like this Aaron clown, go around to Mormon temples, churches, pageants, etc and try to embarrass and degrade all Mormons, with no respect and no dignity, all in the name of their God. They're a complete DISGRACE!!

btimsah (1 week ago)

Romney, runs based on his Christian principles but when questioned on his principle of his religion he says "that's not what he's about"? Pathetic..

panamajack9 (1 week ago)

What was Bill Clinton about? You people bashing good men are pathetic. Lets give the power back to the democrats so that we can have abortions instead of birth control...Dam

utahaztec (1 week ago)

Mitt is an spineless lying opportunist.

stanademas (1 week ago)

Duh becca, Mormons believe in the Bible, Jesus Christ is the central figure of the church, so of course he is going to use Christian terms. Because, whether someone told you that Mormon's arent Christians or not, the fact is that they ARE!

blondegirl101 (1 day ago)

You know...this whole things...it's just sad...So you don't believe in Mormons...whatever. Don't start throwing out all this sacred information and point and laugh. Geez, give some respect to the mormons...what'd they ever do?
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Well, there it is folks and as you can see, there were some very interesting comments. I look forward to your comments as well, as I think this little clip, says all we need to know about Mitt, his honesty and integrity. The funny thing is, all the Mormons, especially the Hierarchy, are so excited for Mitt to be President and he won't even get the Republican nomination. Oh well, he has "several hundred million dollars", so I'm sure he'll be just fine.

Samuel the Utahnite

September Dawn, A Movie About The Mormon's "Mountain Meadows Massacre", Set For Release On May 4, 2007-Should Make Hinckley's Ass A Little tighter!!

September Dawn-Mountain Meadows Massacre
Uploaded by SamueltheUtahnite

Direct Link To Video

The Mountain Meadows massacre was one of the darkest and most senseless, tragic days in Mormon and US history. It was also one of the most deadly terrorist attacks of innocents, on American soil, until the Oklahoma City bombing. This movie "September Dawn" is supposed to tell this story.

At least 120 or more innocent men, women and children, were brutally slaughtered, at the command of Brigham Young, the then Mormon Prophet, Seer, Revelator and God, who is honored today with a university named after him(BYU), where I once attended(which I'm embarrassed to admit now) and a statue in Salt Lake along with many other honors.

Oh yeah and you can also take guided missionary tours of his "Beehive house" and hear all the lies about what a great man he was. Mike and Hyrum from "The Church Is Not True" did a podcast of a tour through the Beehive house and exposed the lies that the missionaries are taught to tell everyone on a daily basis.

Brigham Young knew exactly what was happening in Mountain Meadows that day, because he planned the whole thing and ordered them to trick everybody, gain their trust, disarm them and then kill and slaughter everyone, including any children over the age of 8, because they were no longer innocent, since the Mormon age for baptism is 8 years old.

One little girl that was around 11, was put in the wagon with the younger kids, to watch the slaughter. When they were done killing everyone, including her family, they asked her how old she was, since she was bigger than the other kids. She told them the truth, and they asked her to get out of the wagon and they then shot her point blank in the head, right in front of the other kids.

John D. Lee was the leader of the actual attacks and the main trigger-man, and also the best buddy/right-hand man of Brigham Young(and also a member of Briggies prestigious council of 50), as he was also sealed to Brigham Young in the temple, like a husband and wife would be sealed today. Yeah, they did that back then, trying to make the perfect chain back to Adam. Hmm...when did that revelation change? Are all of the current Apostles and Seventies sealed to each other? Maybe it's just for the "in crowd" and not for the lowly peons and regular members?

Here are some links to John D. Lee's confession, written in his own words:

MORMONISM UNVEILED;
OR
THE LIFE AND CONFESSIONS OF THE LATE MORMON BISHOP,

JOHN D. LEE;(Written by Himself)

Preface

LAST CONFESSION AND STATEMENT OF JOHN D. LEE.
CHAPTER XVIII.

CHAPTER XIX.
CONFESSION CONTINUED AND CONCLUDED, MARCH 16, 1877, SEVEN
DAYS PRIOR TO HIS EXECUTION

Brigham Young of course claimed complete innocence and that he knew nothing about it, but later personally went to the site and tore down the makeshift monument that the US government had put up to honor the victims. Hmm...an innocent man pissed off at a monument honoring the dead victims, but he had nothing to do with it? Yeah, that makes sense!!

Maybe it was the words the Government put on the monument(a wooden cross on which Maj. Carleton inscribed "Vengeance is mine: I will repay, saith the Lord."), about what would happen to the man who had ordered these innocents to be killed. I guess it hit a little too close to home for Brigham Young, the mastermind of Mountain Meadows Massacre and that is why he and his men tore it down and destroyed it.

Maj. Carleton, in his report to Congress, describes the scene at Mountain Meadows:

"women's hair caught in sage bushes, children's bones found in their mothers' arms, and wolves picking at the bones. It was, he wrote, 'a sight which can never be forgotten.'"

So, what did the Mormon Hierarchy do? On April 20 1961, the LDS Church's First Presidency, posthumously reinstated John D. Lee's church membership and "former blessings", meaning temple blessings. In other words, all was forgotten and forgiven and all of those people that he executed, many shot point blank in the head, under the direct order and planning of Brigham Young, meant nothing.

Wait, doesn't the D&C say that murder is the unpardonable sin? What about mass murder? Isn't it just wonderful? Actually no, it isn't, it's F'd up hardcore, just like the Mormon cult and all of you that know the "real truth" and still defend it!!

When Hinckley went to Mountain Meadows on Sept 11, 1999, for the dedication of a rebuilt monument to supposedly bring closure and healing, he said:

"That which we have done here must never be construed as an acknowledgment of the part of the church of any complicity in the occurrences of that fateful day." The line was inserted into his speech on the advice of attorneys for the Corporation of the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."(The Salt Lake Tribune, March 14, 2000-by Christopher Smith)

That doesn't sound like a contrite, sincere man that wanted forgiveness or that wanted to create healing, does it? The truth is, that the Mormon church will never be able to admit fault in the Mountain Meadows massacre, because A) it would mean that Brigham Young wasn't a Prophet, therefore the church is false and B)can you imagine the cost of the wrongful death suits that would be filed, one after another? Not to mention the PR disaster that would just get worse than it already is.

Hinckley also said:

"All who knew firsthand about what occurred here are long since gone. Let the book of the past be closed. Let peace come into our hearts."

and

"No one can explain what happened in these meadows 142 years ago. We may speculate, but we do not know. We do not understand it. We cannot comprehend it. We can only say that the past is long since gone."

Once again, the Prophet Hinckley pretending to not have a clue about something, that he knows everything about. Amazing how little the Mormon "Prophet, Seer and Revelator" really professes to know, isn't it?

Here's a video of Hinckley contradicting himself and talking about how important the past is, and "to always look to the past" and "how it gives us strength", along with other clips of him then talking about how we should "let the book of the past be closed"(Hmm-I wonder why?) when he spoke at Mountain Meadows in 1999:



Did you notice how emotional he was when talking about the Mormon pioneers and how he showed no emotion when talking about the victims of the Mountain Massacre? So, when it comes to the Mountain Meadows Massacre, or blacks and the Priesthood and their teachings on racism or polygamy, it's all in the past, and they are "little flicks of history", etc, etc, but when it comes to something "faith promoting", we should "always look to the past."

So which is it Hinckley and all you TBMS out there? Should we focus on the past and always look to the past, that always gives us strength, or should we close the book on the past and the little flicks of history? You can't have it both ways!! Either the book is open both ways or shut both ways.

Here is a link to the official website dedicated to the victims of the Mountain Meadows Massacre and their families.

Those believed to have been killed at or near the Mountain Meadows were:

Alden, William Allen, 19
Baker, George W., 27
Baker, Manerva A. Beller, 25
Mary Loivna, 7
Bellen, Melissa Ann, 14
Bellen, David W., 12
Baker, John T.,52
Baker, Able ,19
Beach, John, 21
Cameron, William, 51
Cameron, Martha, 51
Tillman, 24
Isom, 18
Henry, 16
James, 14
Martha, 11
Larkin, 8
William's niece:
Nancy, 12
Deshazo, Allen P., 20
Dunlap, Jesse Jr., 39
Dunlap, Mary Wharton, 39
Ellender, 18
Nancy M., 16
James D., 14
Lucinda, 12
Susannah, 12
Margerette, 11
Mary Ann, 9
Dunlap, Lorenzo Dow, 42
Dunlap, Nancy Wharton, 42
Thomas J., 17
John H.,16
Mary Ann, 13
Talitha Emaline, 11
Nancy, 9
America Jane, 7
Eaton, William M.
Edwards, Silas
Fancher, Alexander, 45
Fancher, Eliza Ingrum, 32
Hampton, 19
William, 17
Mary, 15
Thomas, 14
Martha, 10
Sarah G., 8
Margaret A., 7
Fancher, James Matthew, 25
Fancher, Frances "Fanny" Fulfer
Fancher, Robert, 19
Huff, Saldia Ann Brown
William
Elisha
Two other sons
Jones, John Milum, 32
Jones, Eloah Angeline Tackitt, 27
daughter
Jones, Newton
McEntire, Lawson A.,21
Miller, Josiah (Joseph), 30
Miller, Matilda Cameron, 26
James William, 9
Mitchell, Charles R., 25
Mitchell, Sarah C. Baker, 21
John, infant
Mitchell, Joel D., 23
Prewit, John, 20
Prewit, William, 18
Rush, Milum L., 28
Stallcup, Charles, 25
Tackitt, Cynthia, 49
Marion, 20
Sebron, 18
Matilda, 16
James M., 14
Jones M., 12
Tackitt, Pleasant, 25
Tackitt, Armilda Miller, 22
Wilson, Richard
Wood, Solomon R., 20
Wood, William , 26
Others UNKNOWN

Other names associated with
caravan included:
Basham, (George D.?)
Hamilton, (Thomas ?)
Haydon, (James C.?)
Hudson, (David ?)
Laffoon family
Morton family, (Charles H.?)
Poteet family
Reed, (John Perkins?)
Smith, (Alf?)
Stevenson, (Mordecai?)

I really hope that this movie will help bring the tragedy of Mountain Meadows and who was responsible, to the attention of the world. From this preview, "September Dawn" looks like it will do this and appears to have nothing to do with the fluff piece that was written in the Deseret News in August of 2005.

I don't know if the project changed when they discovered how horrific it really was and who was really behind it, but it appears to be much more than a Titanic like love story. I just hope that this preview is a true reflection of the movie.

Oh, by the way, whatever happened to that official book(using new sources that nobody had ever seen before) the Mormon church was writing 4 years ago, with the help of Richard Turley, Glen Leonard and Ronald Walker, that was supposed to be entitled "Tragedy at Mountain Meadows?" Is it still in progress or just laying in the closet with all the other skeletons?

In any case, the Mountain Meadows Massacre is just another horrific skeleton in the Mormon Hierarchy's closet full of skeletons, that reminds us all, just what this cult really stands for, has always stood for and will always stand for; corruption, lying, deceit, destruction and yes, even brutal murder of innocent men, women and children, in the name of God and blood atonement. Will the Mormon Hierarchy ever take responsibility for any of their sins?

The answer sadly is no, because they answer to no one, but their own fabricated God and Jesus(who are now more interested in buying and building malls and luxury resorts and re-designing downtowns) and there are no checks and balances to hold them accountable.

And that's why they call it a cult folks!!

Samuel the Utahnite

John Dehlin Does A Great Video Interview With Anne B. Wilde, A Mormon Fundamentalist And Practicing Polygamist-Parts 1-5

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Direct link to part 5

(See if you guys, in this part 5, can keep straight and keep track of who is who and of all the different Gods and Godheads? LOL!! I admire John for hanging with her, as she rattled off this God and that God and who is our God and where he lived, where he went, what kind of body he had, that he didn't know he was God, etc.

I have to listen to it again to see if I can understand more clearly what she's talking about, as I must be tired.{I just took an Advil} I wonder how she would explain the very first God? Was he just always God or was he just a man too and somehow became a God on his own? I think Cognitive dissonance may be the only way to fully understand her.)
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As soon as part 5 is out, I will post it here on this thread. This interview is really awesome guys!! It's so refreshing to actually hear a true believing Mormon "HONESTLY" speak about the Mormon church's "true history" and that is exactly what Anne B. Wilde(and John Dehlin) does in this interview(Hinckley could take a lesson). She isn't trying to make excuses for it, or claim that it never happened or that they "were just men", etc, rather just saying it like it is and was.

All TBMS everywhere could learn a lot from Anne and I certainly hope they do!! I mean come on guys, those of you that call me and all ex-Mormons liars, frauds and so on; is Anne just making it all up too? Is she a fraud? Is she a liar? Of course she isn't lying, as she is a real "True Believing Mormon" that follows the "true doctrines and teachings of Joseph Smith, unlike the church today, that won't even talk about such things and calls those of us who do, anti-Mormons, disease germs(Packer), liars or in Anne's case; "a fundamentalist", who has never had anything whatsoever to do with the Mormon church, and who is excommunicated for her beliefs(that Joseph Smith taught of course).

I of course don't agree with her beliefs and I personally find polygamy to be disgusting, as most of you know, but I certainly admire her courage on talking about it openly and not acting like the Mormon apologists(like Daniel C. Peterson or Jeff Lindsay) of today that try to justify, rationalize and explain away all of it, like it never happened, all the journals are fabricated by antis, etc.

Thanks John for doing this interview and I still don't understand(and never will) how you are able to "put it all on the shelf", as if it doesn't matter or affect the church today or your testimony, but to each their own and I'm just glad that you're back, doing what you do, exposing the "real truth" of Mormonism's history and teachings.

For any TBMS or ex-Mormons out there reading this, that don't already know; John Dehlin is an active Mormon and a "true believer" that isn't afraid to openly discuss every skeleton in the Mormon Hierarchy's closet(vault) and you can visit him and leave comments at his website Mormon Stories.

I also look forward to your comments here in Mormon Truth, especially you TBS, that claim Joseph Smith wasn't even a polygamist or that "polygamy was for widows" and us anti-Mormons are just lying about it. How many people have to be lying, in order for the Mormon church to be true?

Take care everyone and enjoy the interviews!!

Samuel the Utahnite

Martin Luther King Jr: "I Have A Dream." Too bad the Mormon Hierarchy Never Had that Dream And Never Will!!

I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languished in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.

In a sense we've come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the "unalienable Rights" of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note, insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds."

But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. And so, we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.

We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of Now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children.

It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. And those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. And there will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges.

But there is something that I must say to my people, who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice: In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.

The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. And they have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom.

We cannot walk alone.

And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead.

We cannot turn back.

There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. *We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their self-hood and robbed of their dignity by a sign stating: "For Whites Only."* We cannot be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until "justice rolls down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream."

I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. And some of you have come from areas where your quest -- quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive. Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed.

Let us not wallow in the valley of despair, I say to you today, my friends.

And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today!

I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of "interposition" and "nullification" -- one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

I have a dream today!

I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, and every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight; "and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together."²

This is our hope, and this is the faith that I go back to the South with.

With this faith, we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith, we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith, we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.

And this will be the day -- this will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with new meaning:

My country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing.

Land where my fathers died, land of the Pilgrim's pride,

From every mountainside, let freedom ring!

And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true.

And so let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire.

Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York.

Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania.

Let freedom ring from the snow-capped Rockies of Colorado.

Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California.

But not only that:

Let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia.

Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee.

Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi.

From every mountainside, let freedom ring.

And when this happens, when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual:

Free at last! Free at last!

Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!

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I just felt that I needed to post this, to hopefully help others out there to see and understand that racism is wrong and despicable, especially the TBMS that defend the racism of Mormonism. Martin Luther King Jr. was an amazing man that took on the world to earn equality for the black people. Utah is a very racist state and was of course the last state out of 50, to make Martin Luther King Jr. day an official holiday.

It's also no coincidence that a majority Mormon state would not want to celebrate "Martin Luther King Jr. day, is it? In fact, the Legislature still starts their session every year on Martin Luther King Jr. day, because they really don't give a damn and I guess they want the world to know it. They have drawn strong criticism from around the country, from civil rights groups for doing it, but stand strong and refuse to change it.

Also, it should be noted that their isn't one black man in the legislature of Utah and that should come as no surprise and also help explain why they always meet on the Martin Luther King Holiday. It also explains why they can change the Constitution so that businesses don't have to pay taxes on office furniture, for example, but why they won't change the day they begin meeting for the new year. Just more typical racism and racist attitudes in predominantly Mormon and very white Utah.

The roots of Utah and its founders(Brigham Young and his racist cronies) are deeply based on racism that still exists today within the current Mormon Hierarchy, especially Hinckley, who calls the past racist teachings of Mormonism to be "little flicks of history and in the past." Then he usually goes off on some tangent about how he's been to Africa and how we are teaching "them" and that they(the blacks) are even leading their own congregations, etc.

Oh, does he think that they're incapable and below him(a Caucasian man) or something? Of course he does and that's why he won't even call any black men to be a Seventy or an Apostle, as he hasn't called even ONE black man, on his watch, to be a Mormon General Authority, but did release(6 months after taking over as Prophet) the only black General Authority the Mormon church has ever had, Helvécio Martins .

I guess they are all either unworthy or incapable right? Of course the TBMS will say it's God making the call, not Hinckley and that would explain why Richard Hinckley was called to be a Seventy and then Gordon was so afraid of nepotism, right? Wake up TBMS, as God has NOTHING to do with it and it's so damn obvious!!

If God can give the revelation of a calling or a revelation as to whether someone is masturbating, to a Bishop, Stake President or Mission President or reveal to Hinckley how many earrings a woman can wear in her ears, then surely he could have told the Prophet that the Seventy George P. Lee was sexually molesting a little girl, right? Oh, wait, we have our free agency and they claim that God can't ever intervene(unless it's for a WORTHY Mormon or the 116 pages that disappeared, etc, etc) and has to let the rapists, pedophiles, child molesters and murderers do their thing, because it's all part of God's grand plan. Yeah, some damn plan!!

Maybe someday when or if they or a loved one are a victim, and I sincerely hope that nobody is; they might feel differently? Too bad somebody has to be victimized in order to understand and be compassionate to those that have already experienced something terrible. We obviously can't understand fully what someone has experienced, when we haven't been through it ourselves; but we can at least show love, understanding, compassion and not be an arrogant, Mormon, TBM hard-ass about it, right TBMS? But then again, the church has to be true, at any cost, right?

The bottom line is that the Mormon church and its hierarchy, believe in and worship a racist God, especially against the "cursed blacks", with very racist leaders that support said God and his racist teachings. They always refer back to the 1978 so called "revelation from God", when blacks finally got the Priesthood, meaning that it wasn't their decision, rather God's decision to grant blacks the Priesthood. They talk about how blacks never had the Priesthood ever, from the beginning of time, until God graciously gave it to them, through the Mormon church, in 1978, like they want a prize or something.

Also, with the announcement of the priesthood revelation in the June 17, 1978, edition of the LDS Church News, their continuing prejudice was again made clear in an article headlined "Interracial Marriage Discouraged", that included 3 quotes from President/Prophet Kimball, supporting that headline.(Some also say that the ultra-racist Apostle Mark E. Peterson was behind that article.) So even though they had given blacks the Priesthood and had officially lifted the ban on blacks marrying whites, albeit reluctantly, they wanted everyone to know that it was still "discouraged."

Martin Luther King's speech was given on April 28, 1963, and it would be another 15 years before Mormons would decide, very reluctantly, to include blacks in their church and special circle. I find it appalling and then to hear Hinckley play it off, as if it was nothing and just a "little flick of history and in the past", makes me sick.

In more recent times, Darron Smith wrote a book called "Black and Mormon", which is ironically still sold at Deseret Bookstore, which is Jesus' bookstore, which is run and owned by the Mormon Hierarchy and Sheri Dew, Hinckley's personal biographer and gal pal; yet they fired Darron Smith from BYU for writing the book and speaking out against the past racist teachings of Mormonism, which the Mormon Hierarchy refuse to repudiate or even apologize for.

Then Hinckley comes out in the April 2006 Priesthood session of general conference, absolutely baffled, shocked and amazed, as to where all the racism comes from and why people think Mormons are racist or have taught racist things in the past, right after firing Darron Smith and having been asked repeatedly in interviews about said racism. He said that he thought it was all resolved in 1978. In other words, they thought that after 1978, they were "off the hook" and would never have to deal with or explain their racist attitudes again and that all was well in Zion fantasyland.

What the church never tells anyone, is how they were absolutely, eventually, going to lose their tax exempt status and that there were rallies all over the country against the Mormon church, especially at sporting events, like a wrestling match in Colorado. Also, many teams, like Stanford for example, had refused to play BYU and many other teams were going to join in the boycott, due to the racist teachings and beliefs of Mormonism.

Oh, and let's not forget about all the people in Brazil, that were getting baptized and later discovered to have black blood in them...oh no!! Their was mass panic in the church office building as the missionaries were instructed not to even teach or baptize black people at all. Also, they were building temples in Brazil and hardly anybody was going to be able to go into them, after helping to build them, both monetarily and physically.

Those are some of the real reasons that the Mormon church finally caved and gave blacks the Priesthood and it certainly had nothing to do with any God, divine revelations or overcoming their racist attitudes, that still have not changed one iota, in my opinion.

Also, the one question that I've asked repeatedly and that I can't get any Mormon or anybody for that matter to answer and to which I've not found an answer anywhere; is why were black women also banned from the Mormon temple, when women can't have the Priesthood and it wasn't a Priesthood issue for them? Anybody know?

In fact, if you read the declaration in the D&C, that I linked to above, it says nothing about black women at all. It says, "This, in turn, has inspired us with a desire to extend to EVERY WORTHY MEMBER of the Church all of the privileges and blessings which the gospel affords."

So, it seems that right there, they were basically admitting that it wasn't just the black men that were affected, but that there were others too, that weren't defined, right? I mean we know that it was just the black race and nobody else, so why be so damn vague? Anybody know of any other race, nationality or skin color that was banned from the temple?

It didn't matter if you were Mexican or Indian or any other race with a darker skin, rather it only mattered if you were black, period. In fact, the Indians were celebrated as Lamanites that had basically repented when joining the church and told how their skin color would change to a lighter color, due to their worthiness and conversion to Mormonism.

However, further down in the declaration, it is specific regarding men at least and it says, "He has heard our prayers, and by revelation has confirmed that the long-promised day has come when EVERY FAITHFUL, WORTHY MAN IN THE CHURCH MAY RECEIVE THE HOLY PRIESTHOOD, WITH POWER TO EXERCISE ITS DIVINE AUTHORITY, AND ENJOY WITH HIS LOVED ONES EVERY BLESSING THAT FLOWS THEREFROM, INCLUDING THE BLESSINGS OF THE TEMPLE. Accordingly, all worthy male members of the Church may be ordained to the priesthood without regard for race or color."

Again, never any mention of the black men specifically, when they were the only ones that were banned from the Priesthood. Amazing isn't it?

So, I'll ask again; why were black women banned from the temple? Is there any Mormon doctrine or anything official on that? I mean, I know that it was just because they had black skin and were cursed by the Mormon God from the pre-existence for being less valiant and compassionate toward Satan, and barely choosing Jesus' plan, but what is the Mormon explanation, for banning innocent, Priesthood-less black women from entering "Jesus' holy house?" My guess is that they won't answer that question ever, because the only answer is that they were racists, plain and simple.

Now, in reference to the Indians/Lamanites skin turning lighter; I don't know about you guys, but the following words and horrific, blatant racism from Spencer W. Kimball, just really make me feel physically ill and sick to my stomach. And then we have dumbass, lying Hinckley, who wonders where the racism comes from? Is there any doubt that this white run, male dominated, sexist, racist, homophobic corporation has always felt superior, to any other race?

Spencer W. Kimball said, in the October 1960 General Conference:

The day of the Lamanites is nigh. For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised. In this picture of the twenty Lamanite missionaries, fifteen of the twenty were as light as Anglos; five were darker but equally delightsome. The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents-on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather. There was the doctor in a Utah city who for two years had had an Indian boy in his home who stated that he was some shades lighter than the younger brother just coming into the program from the reservation. These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness. One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.(General Conference Report, October, 1960)

Well everyone, I hope that you all got a chance to watch this great speech by this great man, Martin Luther King Jr. and I hope that all you racist Mormon TBMS out there(and there are plenty, especially in Utah and in the great and spacious church office building), will finally, once and for all, condemn the racist teachings and attitudes of Mormonism, that have existed since the church was officially founded, based on the racist Book of Mormon. Please, I beg of you, to quit defending, justifying and rationalizing the horrific hateful and racist teachings of Mormonism, because doing that makes you a racist.

Here is a sampling of some of the posts I've written on my blog regarding the racism in Mormonism:

What were the things that proved to me that the Mormon Church was a fraud?!!

Is the Mormon Church Racist Or Is It God?

Gordon B. Hinckley, Mormon Prophet Of God, Makes It Crystal Clear, That Brigham Young And Many Others, Weren't Prophets Of God!!Is He Being Sincere?!!

Hinckley: "I remind you that no man who makes disparaging remarks concerning those of another race can consider himself a true disciple of Christ."

Boyd K. Packer, Current Mormon Apostle, Says, "Plan, Young People, To Marry Into Your Own Race." "Mexican Members To Marry Mexicans, Etc, Etc.......

Just remember everyone, that if Mormonism had done things they way they wanted to and weren't interfered with by the laws of the land, created by the "evil" Gentiles, they'd still be polygamists, marrying child-brides(See Warren Jeffs-the modern day Joseph Smith) and blacks still wouldn't have the Priesthood today as I write this.

Their true feelings haven't changed at all on these matters, just their outward actions, due to the laws and social pressures that now exist. This clearly explains why they refuse to admit fault, repudiate or even acknowledge and apologize for these awful things and never will.

Take care everyone,

Samuel the Utahnite

A Magical Tribute To Joseph Smith, Thanks To South Park And Joe's Famous "Head In The Hat Trick" Method Of "Translating" The Book Of Mormon!!

Hey everyone; here is a video I created, the week before Christmas and I just wanted to share it with you, along with my comments. I thought we could all use a good laugh, with so many other serious issues on the table. Enjoy Everyone!!



Here are my comments:

This is a magical tribute to Joseph Smith, the founder and so called "Prophet" of the Mormon church.

With Smithmas(for the Smithians), I mean Christmas, just around the corner, I was feeling very charitable; so I created this tribute with the help of "South Park" and the group "Tag Team", along with a very strong emphasis on Joseph Smith's ridiculous "head in the hat" trick, which he used exclusively to "translate"(fabricate) The Book of Mormon.

Anyone ever see the picture, sold at Jesus' Deseret bookstore, with Joseph Smith sitting at a table, looking at the plates and translating them? I covered this here on my blog in 2005. It's complete bullshit!! I had the damn picture hanging on my wall for 2 years during my mission. Doh!!

Enjoy everyone and forward it on to someone else!! The more people that learn this is how he really translated The Book of Mormon, the merrier.

Here are some descriptions below, that prove how he did it and why it was impossible for him to have made the countless mistakes and errors, including numerous spelling errors and confusion on who god was, which are well documented and near 4,000 in total.

Current Mormon Apostle Russell M. Nelson, in His Talk "A Treasured Testament", given June 25, 1992, at a seminar for new mission presidents, Missionary Training Center, Provo, Utah, said the following:

The details of this miraculous method of translation are still not fully known. Yet we do have a few precious insights. David Whitmer wrote:

"Joseph Smith would put the seer stone into a hat, and put his face in the hat, drawing it closely around his face to exclude the light; and in the darkness the spiritual light would shine. A piece of something resembling parchment would appear, and on that appeared the writing. One character at a time would appear, and under it was the interpretation in English. Brother Joseph would read off the English to Oliver Cowdery, who was his principal scribe, and when it was written down and repeated to Brother Joseph to see if it was correct, then it would disappear, and another character with the interpretation would appear. Thus the Book of Mormon was translated by the gift and power of God, and not by any power of man." (David Whitmer, An Address to All Believers in Christ, Richmond, Mo.: n.p., 1887, p. 12.)

Emma Smith, who acted as an earlier scribe for Joseph, gave this account in 1856:
"When my husband was translating the Book of Mormon, I wrote a part of it, as he dictated each sentence, word for word, and when he came to proper names he could not pronounce, or long words, he spelled them out, and while I was writing them, if I made any mistake in spelling, he would stop me and correct my spelling although it was impossible for him to see how I was writing them down at the time. Even the word Sarah he could not pronounce at first, but had to spell it, and I would pronounce it for him.

"When he stopped for any purpose at any time he would, when he commenced again, begin where he left off without any hesitation, and one time while he was translating he stopped suddenly, pale as a sheet, and said, 'Emma, did Jerusalem have walls around it?' When I answered, 'Yes,' he replied, 'Oh! [I didn't know.] I was afraid I had been deceived.' He had such a limited knowledge of history at that time that he did not even know that Jerusalem was surrounded by walls." (Edmund C. Briggs, "A Visit to Nauvoo in 1856," Journal of History, Jan. 1916, p. 454.)

On another occasion, Emma Smith recorded:

"The plates often lay on the table without any attempt at concealment, wrapped in a small linen tablecloth, which I had given him to fold them in. I once felt of the plates as they thus lay on the table, tracing their outline and shape. They seemed to be pliable like thick paper, and would rustle with a metallic sound when the edges were moved by the thumb, as one does sometimes thumb the edges of a book." ("Last Testimony of Sister Emma," Saints' Herald, 1 Oct. 1879, p. 290; spelling modernized.)

So, "the plates often lay on the table without any attempt at concealment, wrapped in a small linen tablecloth." So were they "wrapped and concealed by a tablecloth" or "not concealed at all?" That sentence completely contradicts itself, but hey, that's Mormonism for you; one contradiction after another!!

Can you dig it fool? Whoomp there it is...LOL!!

Samuel the Utahnite

Mormon Molly Jolley, States That "The Work Must Go On", Despite Two Sister Missionaries Being Brutally Raped For Hours. She's a Ballard Disciple!!

I've already covered this issue pretty extensively on my Mormon Truth Uncensored Podcast #3 and you can all go read what I wrote and listen to the podcast if you want to. But here is the actual video of Molly "Mormon" Jolley and her ridiculous, insensitive comments.

I wanted everyone to actually see the expression on her face and the glazed over eyes, including the smile(as shown above) before she began spewing her BS.

The quotes that stand out to me, from both Brock Jolley, the mission President and his daughter, Molly Jolley, are the following:

Brock Jolley:

"The two 'sisters' voluntarily gave up 18 months of their lives to make a difference in this country. Now, they're getting the best care money can buy. When this is over, THEY PLAN TO REMAIN IN SOUTH AFRICA AND COMPLETE THEIR MISSIONARY WORK."

So, Mr. Danny Brock, pathetic mission president, of Bountiful Utah, wanted to make sure that everyone knew that these two sisters, despite being gang raped, most likely at gun and knife point, for as long as 2 hours, robbed and one of them shot in the stomach; "plan to remain in South Africa and complete their missionary work." Are you serious Danny?

Any plans for psychological counseling and physically healing, or just back to the same streets where they got raped, ASAP, to search for more future tithe payers?!! "When this is over?" What does that mean exactly? Physically? Mentally? Or, just when they are released from the hospital...no excuses right? Don't drag the mission down girls, because like Hinckley says, "if you were living the rules, you'll never get sick or have bad things happen."

I mean hey, they work directly for Jesus Christ and if they have enough faith in Jesus, they will be given the strength to hit those same streets quickly, as if nothing even happened, right? It's just pathetic!!

He also wanted to reassure everyone how safe the area was, and what a safe time of day it was, in order to cover his own ass, along with the Mormon Church Hierarchy's collective ass, when he said the following:

"They were walking alongside a busy road (the old Harding highway), which they knew well. Moreover, it was one of the busiest times of the day with cars whizzing past. Safer than that, you would not get."

Yeah, well apparently not safe enough, because, if you didn't notice BROCK, THEY WERE "GANG RAPED AT KNIFE POINT FOR 2 HOURS OR LONGER" AND "ONE OF THEM WAS SHOT." Hello, anything going on in that TBM, BRAINWASHED brain of yours?

Also, his guarantee and that of his daughter, about how safe the area was, certainly doesn't jive with any reality or truth whatsoever and the stats that they explained in this news story, about the horrific crime rates in South Africa, which even includes Mormon missionaries getting robbed and car-jacked every single month. Do we ever hear about those incidents?

The truth is, the Mormon Hierarchy doesn't give a rat's ass how safe or unsafe an area is, because they don't care if you are raped, robbed or even killed.

After all, you work for Jesus, for "the one and only true church", so it's all good. In fact, it should be an honor to be raped for the Mormon church and Jesus, right?

Oh yeah, and it's actually a bad thing that these 2 sisters lived isn't it, at least according to Mormon "better off dead" teachings by the former Prophet Spencer W. Kimball? My statements are in quotes.

Kimball said:

"Also far-reaching is the effect of loss of chastity. Once given OR TAKEN OR STOLEN it can NEVER BE REGAINED.(NICE GUILT TRIP THERE!!) Even in forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. IF SHE HAS NOT COOPERATED(can you believe that shit? SHE WAS RAPED DUMBASS!!) and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a MORE FAVORABLE position.(MORE FAVORABLE?) There is no condemnation where there is NO Voluntary participation. It is BETTER TO DIE in defending one's virtue than to LIVE HAVING LOST IT WITHOUT A STRUGGLE."(The Miracle of Forgiveness)

So there you go!! I sure hope these sisters struggled a lot and didn't "voluntarily participate." But the fact they lived, proves to Kimball, that they didn't struggle hard enough, because THEY DIDN'T DIE!! What a sick, twisted SOB!!

Here are some other statements on the Mormon teaching of "Better off dead", than immoral.

"I would rather have you come back in a pine box with your virtue than return alive without it." (Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine-all editions, page 124)

Prophet David O. McKay is quoted in Kimball's book as follows:

" . . . Your virtue is worth more than your life. Please young folk, preserve your virtue EVEN IF YOU LOSE YOUR LIVES."

Prophet Heber J. Grant is also quoted in Kimball's book:

"...There is no true Latter-day Saint who would not rather BURY a son or daughter than to have him or her lose his or her chastity."

Now, I'd like to end this post with two quotes; the first one is from Molly Jolley, and then the 2nd one is just to remind everyone that Mormon Apostle M. Russell Ballard and the Mormon Hierarchy, don't give a shit if you die on your mission:

"Bad things happen everywhere and it's unfortunate. My heart goes out to those poor sisters and their families BUT THE WORK MUST GO ON."(Molly Jolley)

"This work will continue to go forward regardless of what happens, regardless of what the future may hold. If there are other missionaries THAT ARE HURT or other missionaries THAT ARE KILLED, IT WILL NOT STOP THIS WORK." (Apostle M. Russel Ballard)

Ballard Not Caring If More Missionaries Die-MP3 For Download

Here is the link to my "Better OFF Dead" podcast and the link to a blog I wrote here in "Mormon Truth", regarding the Mormon Hierarchy's despicable "Better Off Dead" Teachings.

I welcome any response, specifically from Molly Jolley, Brock Jolley, his wife, their family, friends or hey, how about the kind hearted, sensitive and loving M. Russell Ballard, who didn't even care if those Sisters died in the first place, because "it won't stop this work." Bring it on guys...BRING IT ON!!

What a damn cult!!

Samuel the Utahnite