Friday, August 11, 2006
Mormon Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, Mocking And Ridiculing Missionaries!! He Was Trying To Be Funny And Impress Mike Wallace. It's Not Funny Pal!!
I came across this video a long time ago, sometime last year, when I first started my journey to the truth and I saved it. I think that this is a very accurate display of what Hinckley and the rest of his cult cronies think about Mormon missionaries. Look at the face of the missionary at the very end...does he look like he is laughing like Hinckley is?!! Also, Mike Wallace is sitting in the front row, as this appears to be part of the 60 minute special where Wallace interviewed Hinckley.
About 2 weeks ago, I put it up on YouTube and it has gotten quite a bit of response. Last week, it was honored as the 43rd most popular video discussed, under the "people" category. I just want to get the word out there of what a cult leader this Gordon B. Hinckley really is. I also wanted to give Mormon Truth readers the chance to weigh in and comment on this video, Hinckley and the overall treatment of missionaries; as nothing more than pieces of meat that they don't give a damn about.
This post is basically a follow up to the last post I made, which I ended with comments about missionaries and then the comment section also went in that direction. I just felt that this would definitely be an appropriate follow up to where that discussion led. I want to really thank Lori, Ray and John in London, for their comments, as this is a very passionate subject for me, knowing how I and so many others are and have been treated and abused on their missions. It is truly a travesty!!
These young men and young women, along with their families, deserve much more than this for the 2 years of sacrifice and $11,000-12,000 they have to fork out, for the honor of being an "abused Mormon missionary."
Then again, what can we expect from an organization/cult that doesn't care when a missionary gets raped, beaten, deathly ill or killed and can only say that "the work must go forward, it's the safest place to be in the world, we don't care how many get sick or die in the future, they are now doing missionary work on the other side, they couldn't have died in a better place then serving Jesus", etc?!!
It truly is sick and twisted and quite frankly, it's shocking to me that more people can't see this for what it is. When a missionary from Bountiful, Utah dies, they bring out the big guns; Hinckley and Ballard show up(in their Lexus), reassure everyone that the mission field is very safe, that the deceased missionary is now in a much better place, died for a great cause and so on.
Then, they just head on back to the holy of holies and have a good laugh about what a bunch of dumb asses the members are, to fall for their bullshit. Oh yeah, and they check in with the financial department before they head up there, to see how many millions have rolled in that day. It is truly just a sick and demented world they live in and I'm so happy to no longer be a part of it.
Take care everyone and feel free to leave your comments here or over on YouTube(you have to register), as I look forward to what everyone has to say about this video.
Samuel the Utahnite
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Hi, I wasn't in the MTC during this "talk", but heard the audio shortly afterwards. I was totally shocked, but wasn't surprised. Anyone who has been to the MTC can most likely remember how depressing it was even if you weren't being made fun of. I don't think any man or woman who goes on a Mormon mission has any idea of the abuse that they are about to undergo. I think they belive it really will be the best time of their lives and give all of their trust to their parents who have expected them to go and to the leaders. I don't think they have any idea how much they are being lied to and how far they are being thrown into the lions den.
When I heard this talk originally, it was truely one of the last nails in the coffin for me becasue for a man who was supposedly Jesus Christ's messenger and is supposedly full of love and compassion, Hinkley's words proved to be the antithesis of this. Then when I found out the whole JC thing was a hoax too, I just let the entire religious concept flush down the preverbial crapper and saw the naked emperor for what he was. Naked.
Thanks for posting this. It reminds me of the healty decision I made to get up and out of it all.
Lori
www.steppinupmusic.com
When I was in the MTC we came back to our room one day and got bawled out because they had done an inspection and found that some of the elders (myself included) had left their garments on the floor. They threatened us with damnation and possibly getting sent home for defiling something sacred. I was honestly so scared by that, that I never left my sacred underwear out ever again!
I never felt more like a clone in my entire life than I did in the MTC. I was a number. We all had the same name: "elder". I felt like I was a product just rolling off the assembly line, especially the first day before we had our name tags. We all just got called elder.
How about those MTC showers? Just a pillar with 6 or 8 shower heads on them. There was no privacy at all! I would think TSCC would provide more private showers in an attempt to curve any homosexual activity, since they hate impure thoughts and gays so much.
So much sweat, sacrifice, mental anguish, just to be told by Hinckley that "they'll take us coz there's nothing better." I'm quite surprised that he would make that comment. Usually they praise the missionaries, especially in general conference, for being clean cut and groomed. But you know, they have to praise the missionaries publically to encourage the next generation to go. That little gem of a clip is something they church will never show and, like many other things, would love it to just "disappear" so they can pretend it never happened. Thanks for keeping it alive, Samuel.
I think hinckley's comments started out OK, but he finished up by showing his true feelings. Rather than telling those young guys who are PAYING for their missions, GIVING UP 2 years of their time, WORKING THEIR ASSES OFF--rather than telling them how grateful he is that they are doing this--YOU"RE ALL the LORD HAS??
Bull shit. That old buzzard should get down and kiss their feet for going out and trying to get more money for him and his cronies.
I freaking hate to see those old buzzards get up there and bitch out young people who are going to go work their butts off.
I look back on the day I left the church. I am SO glad that I did, otherwise my son would have gone on a mission.
I am sorry to hear that you have had bad experiences on your mission. Too bad you could not have spent that time out traveling, meeting people, and having FUN.
Bonnie
Thank you Bonnie, I really appreciate that.
I so agree, we go out there and work our butts off, even when physically and emotionally we are hammered, and then get told we just aren't enough, and to top it off we are paying to be abused. That is just sick and horrible to me.
Thanks again,
Lori
www.steppinupmusic.com
I never saw this video clip before, but I am not surprised by it either. I can imagine hearing it over 20 years ago when I was heading off on a mission.
I am on a slow modem and will try to see it shortly.
Thanks for sharing.
http://s6.invisionfree.com/denominations
Hi Samuel,
Hoping to hear more of your podcasts soon!
Hope everything is ok.
Lori
www.steppinupmusic.com
I'll second that last comment. I check for new posts and/or podcasts every day. I really appreciate what you do Sammy!
Oh, and this video clip makes me sick. Those are some pretty bold statements made by such a frail old man. I truly feel sorry for people that blindly follow him and his so called "leadership."
Hi,
just wanted to drop a comment about the myth that you can learn sooo much on a mission:
This year, I have studied abroad in Japan, and people are amazed about how my Japanese has improved in this time.
While I was hardly able to converse last year, I now can fluently speak about different topics and get through everyday life here.
While many LDS stress how much language you learn on a mission, I doubt that in two ways:
1. You can learn a language much better if you attend professional language courses. As far as I know, after an MTC crash course, the missionaries do not get any language courses throughout their two year abroad. That's why, if you study abroad and additionally take language courses, you can learn much faster than if you just drill vocabularies sitting on your bed after a long and exhausting day (or tired after a much too short night).
2. Missionaries only learn the Lord's language:
Inspite of learning useful vocabularies which can be applied in your later workplace, missionaries learn lots of words and phrases which are solely related to the Book of Mormon and religion. Unless you want to become a general authority in that country, this part of language brings you not any further in life.
The story of the first vision, learnt by heart, will not prove beneficial if you want to buy a meal in China.
So, the myth that you can benefit much during your mission is absolutely nonsense.
If you instead plan to spend a year abroad, e.g. during your university time, you can learn much more.
Here is the reason:
Time.
You can progress in your major by attending lectures.
You can progress in your language skills by attending language courses as well as making friends and in your everyday life activities.
In contrast to your mission, you have lots of leisure, so you can get to know the culture of the country.
I learnt a lot about Japanese culture, which has broadened my narrow "western view". I doubt that many missionaries will learn about Japanese culture on their P-Day...
All in all, if you want to have abroad experiences, I encourage everyone to go abroad during your university time instead of going on an exhausting mission in which you learn lots of BoM/bible phrases you will most likely not use in the future.
Good luck on your study abroad,
Peter Meidorn.
It's no secret how Samuel feels about the LDS church and missions, but even he admits that he learned to speak Spanish fluently on his mission.
Though we may not agree with every single aspect of Mormonism, that doesn't mean that it has a core of pure evil and only evil comes from it. Or are you one of those people who hates vegetarians because Hitler refused to eat meat?
Cernovog,
actually no.
Hitler himself also had a good side.
For example, he was the first promoter of Germany's famous "Autobahn" (highway) system.
He promoted health, love towards nature and one's country.
Samuel learnt Spanish by molesting innocent people for two years, breaking apart families if only a part of them converted to Mormonism.
"Oh, but he learnt spanish."
That's not an argument.
He probably would speak a better and less LDS centered Spanish if he had attended a language school or studied abroad.
Just my opinion.
Peter
"Though we may not agree with every single aspect of Mormonism, that doesn't mean that it has a core of pure evil and only evil comes from it."
I think you're half right cernovog.
Plenty of good things come from the church, but what is really at its core? Over the course of my research these past several months, I've recognized and accepted the following:
1. Joseph Smith was a Mason.
2. The temple endowment ceremony borrows HEAVILY from secret Masonic rituals.
3. Masonry is devil worship "at it's core."
While I haven't decided yet where I personally stand with regard to religious beliefs, I am of the impression that if there is a God and thus a Jesus Christ and a devil, the devil would do anything in his power to fool men and lead them astray from salvation. Since we all pretty much know and accept that Mormonism relies on a gospel and a Jesus that is not in accordance with the Bible, and if we believe that satan can appear even as an "angel of light", then maybe Joseph Smith did in fact recieve a vision of some kind. But not one authorized of God.
And if it was not of God, it can only have come from the devil. And if the "church" Joseph Smith founded is based on satanic teachings (again, I reference the masonic influence), then Mormonism "at its core" can only be of satan.
Or is there a third possibility?
I'm open to suggestions.
Hey, you are really way out there, jumpboot.
Masonry is a fraternity to teach moral values with a system of symbolic enactments. Your opinion that is related to Satanism, yea, even that Satanism as such exists, is nonsense.
Satanism as an existing religion was founded by Anton LaVey in 1966.
Everything before that is a pure myth which stems from (mostly catholic) superstitious beliefs.
People projected their own fears and disbeliefs into the ficticious Satanists, and many stories about satanists were invented when new unbelievable dogma was established.
One example is the dogma of transsubstantiation. Only after its establishment, the story of "Black Masses" in which the host is desacrated were invented. This is a projection of the catholic people who did not understand/believe in transsubstantiation, but had to.
Because Satanists were not existent, people projected their fears and disbelief into people who were different from the norm.
This is how witches and the connection between "Satanism" and Freemasonry were invented.
If there are connections between Masonic symbols and symbols of "Satan worship", this is due to the fact that these symbols were assigned to be satanic by the Christian churches to condemn other people.
If you insist on Masons being satan worshippers, then I insist on Christmas and Easter being of pagan origin, that way 99.9% of all Christians are devil worshippers as well, with the exception of Jehovas Witnesses.
The best way of writing a post is:
1. inform yourself
2. write about what you know.
Obviously, you skipped part 1.
Greets,
Peter
Hi Samuel,
Good to hear from you.
I personally do indeed believe that Mormonism in absolutely rotten to the core. The very center of it is rotating around seperating youself from "you". It used cult control tactics to acomplish this.
Joseph Smith was practicing con man way before Mormonism was born. Everything was a lie intended to decieve from the very beginning. He was a poor lazy farmer who had no intention of working an honest days work for his life support. He saw plenty of "preachers" condemn and get a huge rise out of people and get some money for it and a light went on in his head.
Having said this, as missionary work is no more than sales for this corrupt organization, I completely agree that at it's core missions are worthless because they keep you away from "you" meaning what "you" need for "you" to learn what you "want" to learn, spend "your" time taking care of "you" and following "your" interests. Instead you are told when to get up, go to bed, eat, who to talk to etc. There isn't a single moment for "you".
For those of you who went on foreign speaking missions and really learned the language, it it my personal opinion that that happened because of "you", not the church. "You" said Samuel that "you" studied that hard because that is who "You" were. "You" made it happen and "you" have gotten to the point that "you" can make something of your furture because of the time "you" put in. The Kudos goes to you, not the chuch.
Many people take good things from their missions or time in the church, but those things are what "we" made of it, not what the church offerred. The poster is totally right when he says that no additional training is given after the MTC. If you sit back and think about that, there is no way that just being thrown into the kettle is going to teach you the same quality of language as actually spending daylight hours when you aren't physically and emotionally exausted in a classroom focused on learning the language!!
I'm currently living over seas and half the population either speak Maori or Samoan. I have no idea most of the time what people are saying. I do time to time pick things up, but I'm not hear as a student or a missionary, I'm here as a civilian working by my own choice. Although I'm not intending to learn these languages, I can absolutely see the benefit of going to classes to learn these things as opposed to attempting to have a conversation with someone and having to stop them ever single syllable and ask them to slow down or repeat.
I think anyone comes home from a foreign speaking mission with a good grasp of the language is to be applauded, but only for themselves, because "they" are the ones how did the hard yards in the middle of exhausting circumstances to win that knowledge.
Now, do many of them actually do anything with it when they come home? Now that is a different story all together.....
Lori
www.steppinupmusic.com
On a slightly different topic. In talking about the pain a person feels in learning that their life long religion is a total fraud, that is only half the pain.
I think that some posters here are at different levels of anger, and passion simply based on how much they've lost in leaving the church.
For example, when you find out the church is a fraud and you keep going to keep up appearances for your family or for your own safety, you feel a terrible opposition working non stop in your gut to the point where it bubbles over and you simply cannot look yourself in the face anymore unless you own your truth and walk away and "out" yourself to your family and friend regardless of the consequences. But just when you've relieved that pain, another outward pain is about to be thrust upon you.
So, now you've realized the church is a fraud, you've found the courage to stand up openly to your convictions, you're willing to lose everything you have to be true to yourself (secretly hoping that the fallout won't get too, too bad), and then...and only after that does your world actually fall apart.
People you once knew as mother, father, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, cousin, boss, friend, lover, wife, husband, son, daughter, neigbor, etc, have now become your worst nightmare. You are no longer a part of social structure above. You are an outcast of the truest kind. If you come from a TBM family, you can almost rest assured that you will be totally rejected. You will find yourself with a divorce and lose custody of your children. If you are single and you have no partner or family, you no longer be called "son" or "daughter". You will no longer get phone calls, letter, emails, any sort of recongition that you ever existed. You will be a vagabond and if you don't learn really fast how to live on this planet and take care of every need you have immediately, you will most likely die just from the sheer horriblness of the situation. Everything you once knew from birthday parties, Thanksgiving, Christmas, normal daily interaction...is gone. The support you may have had if you had something bad happen to you is...gone. You don't exist. If you try to exist, you will be threatened if you dare talk about your feelings about the church or the family. If you dare speak your discomfort in the way you are being treated, you will be punished for that one way or another for daring to destroy their "momon image".
For people who have been through this and who have survived, and who are thriving totally independently from the life they once knew, have my utmost respect. Having your life blow up in front of you leaving nothing but rubble and you having to move on with only your courage and determination takes a sort of intestinal fortitude that is rarely seen. Perhaps Katrina victims or Tsunami victims understand that a bit, but then their homes were destroyed, not their love for each other, even in death.
For survivors of Mormonism, we've had our hearts broken to the utmost degree. Death would have been easier to swallow rather than look into the face of your once beloved mother and father and watching their faces twist and turn into the most horrible scenes of hatred towards.......you.
My heart goes out to all of you who have found your way through this perilous, black journey. It is you that I consider "family" more than anyone who I grew up with. You people have really proven yourselves.
Thanks,
Lori
www.steppinupmusic.com
Oh, just to clarify, it's not that I didn't think NAM's post wasn't good. It was well intentioned, and well constructed. I just wasn't all that receptive to his comment that called my intelligence into question.
But thanks for taking an interest in my thoughts NAM!
Hi Sam. Ive listened to all your podcasts. Very interesting. You seem sincere, and very upset (understandably so). Although I understand your position and share many concerns, I don't agree with your conclusions. In the case of this video, I think a case could be made that we could say the same thing about Pres Hinkley... He may not be much to look at, but he is all we got. And the same way God can make 19 year old erring boys speak with the conviction the Spirit can bring, he can make a 90 somthing year old febal man to serve His current purposes in preparation for much greater things. I think Hinkley is just acknowledging how short we all fall from perfection, but through humility and faith, we can still do Gods work.
Hi Mckay,
Actually, I disagree with you. These "19 year olds" are volunteers who have been cohersed, guilted and brainwashed into going on the mission anyway and now they are being abused and belittled for paying at least $11,000 for the opportunity. These people deserve the utmost respect for surviving the enormous pressure to go in the first place, for paying for the torture themselves, and for dealing with the intense bordom, rejection and cognitive dissonance that they will soon discover.
No, these comments are totally abusive period. I don't know where you are as far as your feelings about the church, but when you are finally out, have done the research to discover the church to be a total fraud, you view these things very differently.
Thanks,
Lori
www.steppinupmusic.com
I have one question for you all...what is truth? You all are trying to convince others that you have found something to be false. Congratulations...what are you doing now to find the truth, because reading all of your blogs, I find no answer to such question. Wouldn't your time and energy be better spent on spreading truth than reminding everyone how false this particular belief is? Or have you not found that truth yet?
In reading my comment I realized I did not answer your questions directed to me. Am I bad? Sorry. I was just saying whatever came to mind. But I do have perpectives on your question, and I wll give them to you. I just askes Sam on another post... Am I welcome here? Do you even want my comments or should I just go away.... As I read I realized I am the only one posting who is Pro Church, So I dont know if you want to debate or just support eachother in your opposition to the Church.
So true the statement, "they can leave the church, but cannot leave the church alone. To wipe the face of the earth of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day saints is to wipe it of all the good it does for people accross the world. A trauma for which you, in part, could be held responsible for. Good day.
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