Monday, March 12, 2007

The Evangelicals Are Planning A Massive Door To Door Campaign In Utah, On March 25, To Distribute The New Joseph/Jesus DVD And Try To Convert Everyone


I've been sitting on this story for well over a month now and I wanted to wait until the radical, fanatical Evangelicals had all their ducks in a row and plans for March 25 set in permanent cement and and stone. I didn't want to give them much advance warning, which would allow them to easily change the day or alter their tactics and plans. I also didn't want people to forget what they were going to do, by reporting it too soon. The "code name" for this project is "distribution 3:16", referring to John 3:16. It is going to be a nationwide distribution, but I'm focusing on the Utah part of "distribution 3:16."

Now, I've actually watched this new video that they are going to hang on everyone's door on March 5 and the facts in it are pretty good, the video is pretty slick and professional and I normally wouldn't care what these fanatics are doing(since they are exposing Mormonism), if they didn't have an agenda that reached the moon, Kolob and beyond.

However, when the ultimate goal of this video and everything they do, is to convert everyone to their belief system, their God/Jesus and they actively preach that everyone who doesn't believe as they do, will literally burn in hell, with Satan forever; I have serious issues with them and I do not support what they are doing.

For those that want to watch the video and know exactly what I'm talking about, here is the link and for the user name, type in "MISSIONARY" and then "SAINTSALIVE" for the password. I'm guessing that once they read this post and the word spreads; the link will be quickly removed, so watch it is as soon as you can, if that is your intention.

Open and blanket condemnation of all Mormons specifically, which is what these folks do on a daily basis, is unacceptable to me, since I still have many innocent family members and friends in the Mormon cult. I felt that the Mormons in Utah deserved some advance warning about what these guys are gonna be doing. I'll just put out the info, as the messenger(which is what they claim they are for their Jesus) and then let the Mormon Hierarchy, its members and these Evangelicals go at it for the next 3 weeks.

Apparently many other Christian churches are also against what these guys are doing and are also putting out warnings to all Mormons, about March 25, which is a pleasant and unexpected surprise.

Of course these radical Evangelicals are very upset about this and can't understand why these other Christian churches, who they thought were one with them, don't want to be so damn hateful and publicly support them on their mission of condemnation and hellfire. It's amazing that these fanatical Evangelicals just don't get it, isn't it?

So, they want to bring all Mormons to the light, which is their "one and only true light", and feel that the best way to do it, is to openly and strongly, on a regular basis, condemn them to burn in hell with Satan for all Eternity. What am I missing here? Is that the best way to approach somebody that you claim to love and care so much about? Yet they condemn Mormons for saying that they have "the one and only true church." So, what makes them so right and Mormons so wrong? They each have their own interpretation of things, right?

Now, let me share some of the private and "secret" plans of these guys. They like to actually use the term "TOP SECRET"...LOL!! Hell, you'd think they were heading into a real war or something the way they talk about what they're gonna do. Let's just say that these guys have a big time mole in their organization, that keeps me well informed, as to what they are doing and I appreciate it very much...Thanks!! I don't even know who this mole is, as everything is sent to me anonymously, from anonymous Email, but so far, everything they've sent me is spot on and that's why I'm posting this, without any fear that it isn't true.

The following information was sent to me about a month ago:

PLEASE COPY THIS LETTER AND HAND IT OUT WITH EACH SAMPLE DVD

Dear Fellow Christian,

Enclosed is the sample copy of the brand new Jesus Christ/Joseph Smith DVD.

CAUTION: This video is to be viewed by CHRISTIANS ONLY until AFTER the nation-wide distribution which is scheduled for March 25, 2007. In-other-words, do not allow any Mormon people to view the video or learn of our intended evangelistic outreach until after March 25, 2007.

Why such extreme caution? If the leadership of the Mormon cult learns of our plans, they will publicly instruct their people not to watch the video and many Mormons will blindly obey.

ABOUT THE NATION-WIDE DISTRIBUTION AND EVANGELISTIC OUTREACH:

All that is required – HANGING THE DVD ON DOOR KNOBS THE VIDEO DOES THE TALKING and, in fact, we do not advise or encourage interaction with Mormon people until sometime after the distribution is complete.

The reason for this approach is because the Mormon Church instructs its members to not receive any materials which are not "faith promoting" in regard to Mormonism. By simply hanging the DVD on doors, Mormon people do not have the option of refusing to accept it. After the DVD is in their home many will, out of curiosity, watch it.

We encourage distribution of DVDs in neighborhoods surrounding LDS churches and/or Temples. Consider the following facts gleaned from previous similar distributions:

FOR MORMONS - The DVD will be instrumental in leading them out of Mormonism and into a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

FOR NON-MORMONS - The DVD exposes the false teachings of the Mormon
cult. As a result, people who view the video are much less likely to be converted to Mormonism and these people often use the information found in the DVD to challenge their LDS neighbors and/or LDS missionaries.

THIS OPPORTUNITY IS TRULY A GOD SEND – God has led the producer of this video to freely give the DVD to Utah ministries (a gift exceeding a quarter of a million dollars). The producer has also offered this DVD at the production cost of .50 each to any Christian ministry outside of the state of Utah who will agree to participate in the NATION-WIDE distribution on March 25, 2007.

FOR YOUR INFORMATION:

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Mormonism, is one of the largest, most powerful, and fastest growing cults in the world today.

Most people have been deceived into thinking that Mormonism is just another Christian religion. Most LDS converts are proselytized from Christian denominations.

Within the state of Utah, the number of Mormons has steadily declined over the past 10 years which teaches us three things:

#1 - Within Utah, we are doing a fairly good job of combating Mormonism;

#2 - The growth of Mormonism is outside of the state of Utah which makes this NATION-WIDE distribution essentially important.

#3 - The Mormon Church is vulnerable. We firmly believe that with enough exposure, Mormonism will crumble and become a shadow of what it is today.

Please join us in our efforts to shut down the Mormon machine and lead a multitude of lost souls out of this cult and into a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. We believe that meditation upon JOHN chapter 15 (the entire chapter) will encourage you and answer your questions as to whether you should participate. WE CANNOT DO THIS WITHOUT YOUR HELP, PLEASE HELP US.

For more information or to order quantities of DVDs contact Chip Thompson at:

E-mail: ephchip@gmail.com Phone: Office –

435-283-0178 or Cell – 435-851-4588

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Now, I have received other information and I'm gonna just summarize it and point out the highlights from the other documentation that I've received.

They are asking for donations from all over the country, in order to collect $6,000, to air the Joseph Smith/Jesus DVD the same day they distribute the video, March 25, on channel 16 here in Utah(and in LA County, California on PAX). Channel 16, is one of the local channels here in Utah, that has a lot of religious stuff and preachers on it all the time. They are hoping for a few hundred thousand people to see it in Utah and potentially 5 million plus in LA County.

Now, it looks pretty good that they will raise the money, because in reality, they only need $3,000 and the guy financing the video, will kick in the other $3,000. I could give you the address of where to send donations, but I won't, because I don't want to appear to support their cause in any way, shape or form, not that most people reading this would even want to help them in their cause.

Now, they are officially calling this an "outreach" in their correspondence, but please....they want to condemn and then try to convert, and then condemn again if they don't convert to their ideology, that's all. Now, the number that they are throwing around, is that around 200,000 DVDs have been donated by this ex-Mormon Christian, just to Utah alone, to all be distributed on March 25. They are asking people to pray that all the Christian churches, including the pastors and congregations, will want to get involved, especially in the Provo/Orem area, but they aren't having much luck in that area, as I mentioned above and I found it downright funny and ironic.

Here they are, the radical, fanatical Evangelicals(preaching my way or the highway to hell), with this huge project and hardly anybody wants to join them in openly condemning Mormons and distributing the DVDs. I give huge kudos to these Christian churches that have refused their invitation and won't join them in their pathetic crusade, because they themselves find it offensive, knowing what they are trying to do.

Even they know and understand that these radical Evangelicals are out of their freaking minds and too fanatical and will only hurt their true "outreach" to Mormons. They know that their methods are nothing but methods of failure, offense and hate. The fanatical Evangelicals are claiming to be so upset by this unexpected turn of events(being rejected by so many Christian denominations), that they are very sad and asking everyone to pray for a change in heart of the pastors and especially from the biggest Christian church in Utah county, which has also turned them down.

They've even asked the question, "what is the point of these churches(that turned them down), if they won't Evangelize with us against the Mormons?" Wow, I guess they really do think they are the chosen people of God, don't they? Are they now actually condemning other Christians too? Are those who refuse to participate going to burn in hell and gnash their teeth for all eternity too?

What is so wrong, with these other Christian churches, wanting to be friends and friendly with Mormonism and not create more tension than there already is? Wow, how evil, how awful!! It's BLASPHEMY damn it!! Yeah, they don't want to be seen as anti-Mormon or offensive to the Mormon community and dare we say; they want to actually try to be Christlike and live up to the term "CHRISTIAN?" Oh no, we can't have that, can we? Too bad Eric, Aaron and the rest can't take a lesson from the example being shown before them, of Christianity, if they truly love Mormons so much, as they claim to.

Eric Hoffman even basically condemned Greg Peterson(I think that was his name- as he's one of the Christians here in Utah, trying to close the divide between Mormons and Christians) in our Skypecast(which I'll hopefully release by tomorrow), for trying to build on common ground with Mormons and not Evangelizing and openly condemning them like they do. Can you believe it? They are actually really pissed that so many Christians are actually trying to reach out, with real love and sincerity to Mormons, which is something they'll never do or understand. It's so far beyond their ability to comprehend, they are just shocked. They want fire, damnation, hellfire, gnashing teeth, blanket condemnations, pain and anguish, but all in the name of their supposed "real love" for Mormons and their Jesus/God....how pathetic!!

Also, according to Eric, all of these other Christian denominations(and Sandra Tanner) openly condemn all Mormons to "burn in hell for all Eternity", just as he, Aaron and Calvary does, but it sure doesn't look like it, does it? Maybe if these other churches do actually believe that all Mormons will live in hellfire someday, they just want to approach them in a nicer, less abrasive, forceful way, before condemning them to burn forever? It's funny how these radical Evangelicals talk about Mormons being so easily offended, when they are offended by every word Mormons and people like myself say about them.

In other words, they can dish it out complete with fire from above and threats from their God/Jesus, but God forbid you come back at them or challenge them in anyway. Nobody is more sure of themselves and arrogant, claiming that they have the "only truth", that I've ever met in my life, than these fanatical Evangelicals.

Now, one comment that stood out to me, was how they are so sad, that so few of these Christian churches want to help them in this "outreach" and instead are willing to let all the Mormons in Utah, "spend eternity in a lake of fire." Here we go again, with the hellfire and damnation, for ALL Mormons, who don't follow them and their "only true path." These people need some professional help in my opinion!! They seriously need some type of intervention.

At this point, they are flat out desperate for people to help them pass out these DVDs and it doesn't look good at all, as they keep asking for everyone to pray, pray and pray some more. Personally, I hope their little project falls flat on its ass, which it looks like it might, especially with the advance warning from myself and all of these other Christian churches that have rejected them and their cries for help. Who would have thought that I'd be sort of teaming up with other Christian churches, to expose the fanatical Evangelicals and their little plan, in order to warn and help Mormons? LOL!! Funny turn of events, isn't it?

It's also funny how it isn't enough for them to simply reveal "the truth" of Mormonism(as I and so many others do), but that they then have to tell them and basically FORCE them to follow them and their beliefs or yes, live in flames and a "lake of fire for all eternity." What happened to free agency and freedom of choice? What happened to allowing people to decide for themselves, what they want to believe and allowing them to discover what is best for themselves and their family after leaving Mormonism, as I do.

They are so terrified that these Mormons don't have a "saving relationship with Jesus Christ." Who are they? Are they God? Do they literally speak for God?!! I guess they think they do. There's quite a history of people who claim to speak with God and that he speaks with them, and they aren't all good stories folks, going all the way back to the Old Testament. They want people to leave Mormonism and be saved, so that they can wake up everyday and look in the mirror, as so many fanatical Evangelicals apparently do and say "I'm worthless, I'm a pile, I don't even deserve to live."

The fanatical, Evangelical guy the other night, on the "Mormon Truth Skypecast", said that he(and everyone on earth) "was a pile", "was a filthy sinner from birth", "deserved to be massacred", "deserved to burn in hell", "deserved to be burned in flames", "was a sinner from the time he left the womb" and even that the children and innocents(he calls them sinners) in Africa, that are being brutally slaughtered and/or dying of starvation, DESERVE IT!! This is the wonderful Christianity they preach?

He also flat out said(and those that were there can verify this), that those children who died in New York, in that awful, tragic fire this past week(including a little baby), "DESERVED TO DIE, BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL EVIL SINNERS, WHO DIDN'T DESERVE TO LIVE, JUST AS HE, NOR ANY OF US DESERVE TO LIVE." Holy shit...are you serious!! This is happiness and joy? Yeah, this is the best, that radical, fanatical Evangelicals have to offer the world...no thanks!! Who the hell wants this shit?

They think this is a good alternative to the demands of Mormonism or any other religion and will make people happy or happier? How could anyone live their life that way, feeling that they are so damn worthless and nothing in the eyes of God? Anyone got stats on the suicide rates of fanatical Evangelicals? Then again, maybe they are just all talk and just say that shit for attention and shock value, but really don't believe it...who knows?!! Sadly, I think they do truly believe it and that is the most disturbing and sad part about it. I think their cult is far worse than Mormonism, which is pretty damn bad.

Anyway, back to the "distribution 3:16" topic...since they've been rejected by so many other Christian churches, which has completely shocked them to the core; they are convinced that it's Satan himself, God's old nemesis, standing in the way of their distribution plans and I'm sure they'll consider me(and anyone that comments here), to now be an official part of Satan's grand plan too...LOL!!

It's funny, they sound just like the Mormons, claiming that Satan is at every turn, just waiting to trick and deceive you, hinder you and destroy you and lead you down to complete and utter destruction. Now both the TBM Mormons and the fanatical Evangelicals will think I work for Satan himself....SWEET!! He's really not that bad to work for guys...give him a break...LOL.

I'm sure my anonymous Christian mole, has been planted by Satan too, right guys? Wow, that Satan is one tricky, slick, intelligent and powerful guy...uh..serpent, isn't he? Too bad their loving/hate-filled God/Jesus guy can't figure this stuff out and warn them in advance or tell them who their mole is, so that he/she can't keep leaking me this information, which is exposing to the world, their "TOP-SECRET" plans on how to deal with Mormons. I guess they need to take a look around and do some house cleaning, using their claimed inspiration from above. Their God will guide them, I'm sure of it, since they have "the one and only truth."

Look, here's the bottom line: I know that posting this information will only piss them off and create more enemies for me and more people that hate and despise me and what I do, which I don't give a rat's ass about, obviously. I gave up caring about that a long time ago in this journey, so why stop now? Besides, it should help them fulfill their Prophesy about Satan attacking them and trying to hinder their work of truth, etc.

In fact, it will probably confirm to them the truth of what they are doing, right? Gee, that sounds familiar, doesn't it? It's called a persecution complex, which they also suffer from in a big way. They supposedly love opposition, so now you've got some guys and your dreams are coming true. I'm glad I could help you out.

Hopefully, it will help the common Mormon to know and understand that I don't hate or condemn them, rather their hierarchy and all of their lies, fraud and deception. I do have compassion for the "innocent" Mormons that are happy and that don't know any of the stuff I've discovered over the last 21 months(and don't want to know it) and I feel that it shouldn't be forced upon them, rather something that they go looking for, when the time is right for them. Somebody tried to FORCE it on me about 10 years ago and I just knew, without a doubt, that they worked for Satan. It wasn't my time and I wasn't ready yet, plain and simple.

But, I felt that everyone should know what these fanatical Evangelicals are up to and that they will be trying to FORCE their propaganda on everyone and approaching their houses, uninvited, similar to what Mormon missionaries do and what I and many of you once did. It's offensive and wrong, no matter what truths their message contains, since they are deceiving innocent people, just like the Mormon missionaries are, unbeknownst to the majority of them of course.

However, the difference is the majority of Mormon missionaries really are completely brainwashed and believe everything they are saying and don't believe they are tricking anyone, since most of them have been indoctrinated since birth, just like I was. These Evangelicals know exactly what they are doing and are not innocent, at least the ones running the show and planning this type of shit. They know that they are putting out this video, in order to then tell Mormons that they had better follow them or "burn in hell forever." What BULLSHIT!!

In other words, they aren't little 19 year old brainwashed kids, rather grown men, doing what they do best, which is bait and switch, to further their pathetic cause,knowing full well, exactly what they are doing and they are proud of it. Yes, they too believe in their cause strongly, just like the Mormon missionaries, but are knowingly using dirty, filthy, underhanded and offensive tactics to accomplish it. I guess it's the ol' Mormon/Hinckley phrase of "nothing is too good for the Lord", right?

To prove the point I just made, let's revisit once again, some of the instructions(posted above) being included with each DVD:

All that is required – HANGING THE DVD ON DOOR KNOBS THE VIDEO DOES THE TALKING and, in fact, we do not advise or encourage interaction with Mormon people until sometime after the distribution is complete.

The reason for this approach is because the Mormon Church instructs its members to not receive any materials which are not "faith promoting" in regard to Mormonism. By simply hanging the DVD on doors, Mormon people do not have the option of refusing to accept it. After the DVD is in their home many will, out of curiosity, watch it. We encourage distribution of DVDs in neighborhoods surrounding LDS churches and/or Temples.

Did you all catch that? "MORMON PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE THE OPTION OF REFUSING TO ACCEPT IT." You see, they don't believe in free agency at all or letting people choose for themselves; rather they want to FORCE their beliefs on others, which would be the Mormons in this case. My blogs, podcasts and videos are all optional as you all know and anyone can leave anytime they want or refuse to ever read them or comment, if they accidentally come across them. I don't FORCE myself on anyone, rather I give them COMPLETE FREEDOM OF CHOICE, to choose what they want to do with their life.

At least the Mormon missionaries have cojones and aren't such wimps, like these Evangelicals, that are not even willing to engage the Mormons in honest discussion and actually ASK THEM if the want their damn DVD. Why? Because 95% of people would tell them to go screw themselves, especially in Utah, just like they do the Mormon missionaries, all around the world, when trying to hand out Books of Mormon. I never personally gave anyone a Book of Mormon on my mission, that I didn't at least talk to and ASK if they wanted one.

At least have the common courtesy, courage and decency, to actually talk to them, face to face, instead of this underhanded bullshit approach that you've been instructed to use by your cult leaders. Come on guys...if your message is so damn wonderful and so full of love for the Mormons and world and your Jesus/God is running the show; EVERYONE SHOULD WANT ONE, RIGHT?!! But no, you just want to slip it on their doorknob and run, like little 2 year old kids playing a game. Grow up and do it right!! I'm sure they'd respect you much more(until you condemned them of course), if you actually talked to them and didn't cower in fear.

So, hey, all you die-hard, radical, fanatical Evangelicals out there; why don't you back off, and try showing some real "Christian love" and let people decide if they want your damn DVD or want to hear about how you condemn them to burn forever, instead of cramming it down their throat or putting it on their door knob without their permission.

Respect them, respect their properties and respect their right to believe whatever they want to believe. If they have a change of heart and want to know about what you're teaching, I'm sure they can find you, since you guys are all over the place and supposedly all teach the same exact things. If it isn't about them joining one particular church, then you won't care where they join, right?

I don't know Utah laws on this type of thing, but is it even legal to do this? I mean as I've mentioned, at least the Mormon missionaries actually try to talk to the people, before asking if they want the BOM, unlike you guys, who actually instruct everyone, explicitly, NOT to talk to them, in order to pass out your DVD.

I also know that there are neighborhoods and cities, that have outlawed door to door solicitation of any kind, so I encourage everyone reading this, especially those living in Utah, and those around churches and temples particularly, to find out what your cities laws are and then help enforce them.

If it's illegal in your city and they leave their DVD at your house; report them to your local city or law officials and that should put an end to it for the future. If they don't respect you, your space and home, why should you respect them, especially if it happens to be illegal.

So, be prepared everyone as March 25, 2007 is the big day for the TOP-SECRET "DISTRIBUTION 3:16" and approaching soon, when these Evangelicals will be canvasing neighborhoods, targeting you in their crusade of condemnation; that is if they get enough people and churches to do it and help them out. I mean if this is just a Calvary chapel deal, or a few churches here and there, I'm guessing it will go down in flames, as they can't have that many members. In any case, the cats out of the bag and now everyone knows their "secret plans."

I guess time will tell, but I look forward to your comments on this now and after March 25, if your house is one of the "lucky" ones, that gets a DVD. If they come to your house, whether your Mormon or ex-Mormon or never-Mormon...please try to engage them in a conversation regarding their motives and make them violate their "rules of engagement" by forcing them to actually talk to you. After all, the longer you can keep them talking, and stall them, the less DVDs they'll be passing out, right? LOL!!

Samuel the Utahnite

32 comments:

Anonymous said...

Congrats Samuel!

The MAD Board (AKA THE FAIR BOARD) linked to your site while mentioning this blog post.

Bond

Anonymous said...

a dvd is FORCING them to believe. come one.

thanks for the email and phone number--i let them know about your blog

Samuel the Utahnite said...

Thanks Bond for the comment. Did hell freeze over? Yeah, I never thought I'd see that day...where FAIR/Mad linked to me...LOL!!

Like I always say and have shown with this post...as much as I'm against Mormonism and the hierarchy past and present, and the horrible teachings and lies in their history; the good, common, innocent members at least deserve people to be upfront with them if their goal is to condemn them and then try to convert them.

For those that are interested, here's the link:

FAIR/MAD discussing this topic

They're up to 137 comments already.

Samuel

Samuel the Utahnite said...

Hey Anon,

Did you read the part in their official letter, being handed out with each video, that says:

"we do not advise or encourage interaction with Mormon people until sometime after the distribution is complete."

and

"By simply hanging the DVD on doors, Mormon people do not have the option of refusing to accept it."

That's trying to FORCE them to accept it. Whether they end up watching it or not, is up to the individuals.

By the way, what did they have to say about my blog when you called them? Where they happy? They certainly haven't bothered to contact me that I'm aware of and I have my blogs and a very public Email. If they want to discuss it with me, they know where to find me.

I'm just glad that everyone now knows about their "TOP-SECRET" plans and the word is spreading like wildfire, all over the Internet. I wonder if they had a plan B?

Samuel

Anonymous said...

I feel differently about this whole DVD thing than you do Samuel.

Mormon missionaries go out into the world by the tens of thousands every year to try to get people to join their church. They often are not as subtle as hanging a DVD on a door, but rather they harrass people into conversations all the time.

I feel that any other religion should have equal opportunity to come to the bastion of mormondom and do their preaching by knocking on doors or passing out videos.

I do not care if the videos are trying to convert people to Christianity. I think it is high time that Mormons get a teensy weensy insight into all the lies and deceit and garbage they have been heaping upon people for over 170 years.

I agree that trying to convert people to Christianity is similar in some ways as trying to convert people to Mormonism. As you are aware, there are many differences between the two cults.

Christians I have met are generally wanting to 'bring people to Christ" and that's about it. They do not police people's lives to see whether they are drinking coffee or booze, whether they attend a temple ceremony, pay tithing, etc etc.

I know there are some really wacked out Christians out there. But they have every right to preach to Mormons even if there had not been the long and torrid history of Mormons preaching their b.s. to the whole world.

I understand that you have family that are still Mormons. But think about how my family felt when Mormon missionaries came peddling their wares at my house. Pretty much the same way you feel about these Christians.

Even IF Mormons had never sent out one missionary ever, I still believe that in America, groups have a right protected by the Constitution to go out and preach what they want to preach.

But given the fact that they have sent out hundreds of thousands of representatives over the last couple of centuries, I think it is HIGH time Mormons get a taste of how the rest of the world feels when somebody comes to their home to teach them the 'truth'. I just don't think Mormons can have it both ways. They get to go out and harrass the hell out of people--but when the shoe is going on the other foot, they simply cannot cry foul.

So as much as I like you and all your work, I do find that I am in a disagreement with your stand on this.

Nevertheless, I find your blog and podcasts absolutely wonderful and am a devoted fan. (I don't think I have ever disagreed with what you have said, so I feel a bit weird to write this--but I want to be sincere with you and not always nod my head and say yes (that last part was from a bad memory of a temple experience)

Bonnie

Anonymous said...

PS: I do not think that I made it clear in my post that I have come to see all religions as cults.

I find Eric's brand of Christianity as goofy and offensive as the Mormon cult.

I simply feel that they have the right to come banging on doors just like Mormons, JW's, and all the others trying to sell their brand of religion (aka cult).

and most especially here, in Utah, where I hope that this ridiculous door to door gospel preaching may drive home the point that missionaries are OFFENSIVE to most people.

All of them, Mormons, Christians, JW's, etc.

I hope that this campaign will allow Mormons to have an insight into how people all over the world feel--go away and leave us alone. THAT is what I hope this Christian cult campaign achieves. Anyway, I hope my point is more understandable with this p.s.

I tried watching their video, but could not get in with the name and password.

Bonnie

Robert said...

Bonnie said: "Christians I have met are generally wanting to 'bring people to Christ" and that's about it. They do not police people's lives..."

Bonnie, I have to disagree.
I am homosexual, and many Christians in America condemn my very being. They police my life in a very substantial way, wanting me to tell that I cannot follow my feelings, that I cannot love a man, although that is how I feel.
If that is not "police people's lives", I do not know what this term should mean.
Bonnie, I would rather abstain from coffee, alcohol and tobacco, that is so superficial. But those evangelicals, baptists, catholics want to force me into a marriage with someone I neighther find erotic nor could I love a woman.

If you want to see how Christianity can police people's lives, their beliefs, visit Eric Hoffman's forum.
There is a discussion thread in which Eric claims that death penalty is given by God.
So, we are talking about killing people in the name of God. I don't see any difference to blood atonement.
But, hey, that's not policing people's lives.
Or go to www.conservapedia.com, a conservative version to wikipedia.
Until recently, the article on gravity contained the notion that the Law of Gravitation is only a theory, that noone has ever seen gravitron particles, and that God is the true mover, the true origin of gravitation.
Fortunately, they have now deleted this ridiculous stub.
However, the discussion section still states: "I think it's very clear - we need to set up this stub article on gravity, so we can write the TRUE version of Gravity - one that comports with the TRUE facts of JESUS!!! And how GOD makes the universe work. Gravity works because GOD makes it work, because GOD MADE IT."

Bonnie, fanatic Christians invade all aspects of life, from education, the social system, law and justice (of course, the Mosaic Law is the rule of thumb, so kill your disobedient children or anyone who is not.., well jewish!), to your bedroom.
Isn't that "policing people's lives" ???

Robert

Joshua J. Steimle said...

Once upon a time Joseph Smith was asked how the Mormon religion differed from that of other Christian sects. His response was something along the lines of "They believe that we are going to Hell, whereas we believe that even they can be saved." This whole to-do seems to fall right in line with that statement.

Any Mormon who is active in their church sees these attempts to convince them of the incorrectness of their faith as entertaining and childish. It's like a three-year old trying to convince an auto mechanic that a Hot Wheels car is the real thing. Most Mormons will ignore the DVDs, some who are curious might watch them, but few, if any, will be swayed by them. The only ones who might be swayed will be those who have never truly been converted or who are already in the process of falling away.

Anonymous said...

they must have changed the username and password, cause it wouldn't let me login!

Anonymous said...

Our pastor's sermon from a week ago should be forwarded to all these wimpy Christians that don't want to take the heat: http://www.watermark.org/media/media_detail.asp?media_id=511. Please listen to this MP3.

Further, my fiancee is an ex-Mo who's excited to have this DVD distributed to all of her Mo family on the 25th.

BTW, it's Greg Johnson, not Greg Peterson, of Standing Together.

Despite the phrasing of the letter you cited, people still have a chance to throw the DVD in the trash. It's not like the Christian missionaries are coming to each door, busting in and tying people up in front of their TVs to watch this DVD. I think you're a little warped by LDS thinking on this whole matter to see straight.

Finally, about the homosexual issue, you're missing the point of the justice, grace and mercy of God. The apostle says that the law was a schoolmaster to bring individuals to Christ for mercy. The law is that we all suck in one way or another before an all Holy God. When an individual truly repents and allows Christ to do whatever, that individual dies to oneself, and allows God to transform the life in the way He wants. So if an individual persists in murder for example, then it's obvious that this individual never experienced the heart transplant that Christ brings about through genuine faith.

This is quite different from religion like Mormonism, which demands the law as a means to obtain worthiness before God. Like this is even possible! The motivations are totally different.

As such Christians can love murders and homosexuals, and everyone else for that matter. I have friends who live all sorts of lifestyles. I accept them as friends, but I don't accept them as children of God who have experienced His "rebirth."

QuestionMormonism.com

Anonymous said...

Hey thanks for the information man! Although we don't see eye to eye on everything, you are still a good guy who truly has great intentions at heart.

Thanks for the information, I'll be looking for the DVDs on March 25th and take them off all the doors I can and have a huge bon fire up the Provo Canyon with them :P

Anonymous said...

Samuel said:“I think that any "real" Christian that comes along and says "hey, we don't need to hate each other and need to find some common ground to build on", is a great thing and person.”

I couldn’t agree with you more Samuel, but then why do you host this site and use it to degrade, slander, and peddle your own brand of hate? You claim this site is for the “healing” of ex-LDS, but isn’t that directly opposite of what you of what you try to do? You go to great lengths to preach your opposition, and thus you are not in any way looking for common ground.

Samuel also has said, referring to Eric and Aaron (who are people in opposition to his, meaning Samuels own tactics of hate) “No good can come from anything they do or say, in my opinion.”

Although I feel you are quite the word seamstress and know how to weave twist and portray your insults as a do-good service to those who have “escaped the cult” but in reality it’s just a way for you to justify your own misguided and ill-intentioned actions so as to not feel that you are doing wrong in any way. Amen.

Anonymous said...

"Even the Mormon Hierarchy claim they don't have a freaking clue why people are gay, or if they are born that way(Prophets, Seers and Revelators?), yet they openly condemn them and track them down and excommunicate them, if they are sexually active and expect them to live a life of complete celibacy."

needing to clarify this- gay people aren't ex'd for being gay, they get ex'd for breaking the law of chastity, the same as any priesthood holder would be. what members have been tracked down and ex'd? members are supposed to confess their sins by their own free choice, not be forced into confessions.

Anonymous said...

----what members have been tracked down and ex'd?----

Uh, Simon Southerton went inactive in 1998. He was tracked down in 2005 and exed for adultry. Interesting that it coincided with his critical book "Losing A Lost Tribe".

Bond

Robert said...

To the anonymous user who posted this:
"needing to clarify this- gay people aren't ex'd for being gay, they get ex'd for breaking the law of chastity, the same as any priesthood holder would be."

Dear anonymous. I have a high respect for the institution of marriage. That is why, I also promote gay-marriage, which means that homosexuals can live up to the same standards with regard to faithfulness, love and care.

The law of chastity means that we should honor these values, being faithful to one's partner, ideally in a marriage.

Now, I have two problems with this:
The first thing is that most Christians, including Mormons, deny homosexuals to marry and live up to these standards. By doing so, homosexuals are discriminated. Any heterosexual person can keep the law of chastity for some years, then (after his mission :-) ) he can marry and enjoy his sexuality.
But homosexuals are condemned to eternal celibacy by being denied marriage to a person of the same sex.

Second problem, and this goes especially to Mormons:
Was Joseph Smith faithful to Emma when he "married" about 30 other wives, having intercourse with them???????
Excuse me, but although I am homosexual, and conservative christians have lots of prejudices about myself and the supposed lifestyle I live,
I can confess that
I have slept with fewer men than Joseph Smith slept with women, even more, I have slept with less than a third of that!

Therefore, I find the fact that Mormons call my lifestyle abhorrent quite laughable. If my lifestyle is unchaste, then what was Joseph Smith's lifestyle like? He was a lustrous, adulterous pedophile and womanizer.
Mormons at first need to stone their prophet thrice before picking up the first stone against me.

Ok,this again makes clear that most Christians, including Mormons, are blatant bigots.
They neighther follow what Jesus has taught, nor do they live up to the standards they set up for others.
Dear Mormon, if you want to know how well celibacy works,
"Ask your local pedophile, attend a catholic church."

Robert.

Aaron Shafovaloff said...

Woops, typos.

Anonymous said...

Hey, Aaron, you said:
"As a Christian I can say in a heartbeat that it is absolutely impossible that God the Father ever sinned. I'm not offended by the question because I can immediately point you to the glory of an awesome God who forever has been pure and perfect."

I would disagree. Jesus was not without sin, and I can prove it by quoting the bible:
Mat 15:22-26
"And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs."

Jesus of Nazareth clearly makes racist statements.
He calls the Canaanites dogs in contrast to the "children of Israel".

Now, if racism is a sin, then Jesus was not without sin, hence he cannot save us from our sins.

Or, as you are a fanatical evangelical, you have to deny that racism is a sin, yeah, even that it is bad.

In any way, Samuel will probably agree with me that racism is a sin, negative, unwholesome, to be abandoned.

Yet, your supposed Lord and Savior, Jesus of Nazareth, was a damn racist!

Gregory

Anonymous said...

Robert:

You posted: ”I have a high respect for the institution of marriage. That is why, I also promote gay-marriage, which means that homosexuals can live up to the same standards with regard to faithfulness, love and care.”

I feel strongly that homosexuality is regarded as a sin because it is taking the power of pro creation totally out of its context and perverting it in every way. Now you can take that to an extreme even within the bounds of heterosexual marriage and say that couples who use any form of birth control are doing the same, but in the case of homosexuals there is no way in any form that sex with one another is in its correct context. Homosexual sex is the grossest form of selfishness in existence. Sex with a partner is supposed to be a binding selfless action in which a husband and wife come together and become one figuratively, and that is literally fulfilled when that couple bear children. Point being with homosexuality the base root of their sexual drive is to satisfy their own selfish desires. I strongly feel that It is a gross sin and a perversion of God’s laws.

Anonymous said...

Hey Gregory, I bet if Jesus lived in the USA today he would he call the illegal mexican immigrants dogs....right? What an absured idea that you have. Jesus was not a rascist...ha ha, im just laughing that you would even indicate such a notion.

Anonymous said...

I find it interesting "Gregory" that you are also "Robert" and in past comments here on this blog, you have been "True Christian."

Anonymous said...

The trouble is, Jesus himself claimed to be God. So either he was God, or he wasn't. If he wasn't, that either makes him delusional or a liar. If he's a liar, that makes him a jerk responsible for the countless millions of deaths that have followed his claims.
You can't claim that Jesus had "good teachings" that were taken out of context, when he himself claimed to be God. Just my two cents.

Anonymous said...

----The trouble is, Jesus himself claimed to be God. So either he was God, or he wasn't. If he wasn't, that either makes him delusional or a liar. If he's a liar, that makes him a jerk responsible for the countless millions of deaths that have followed his claims.----

Jesus never claimed himself as God. No one knows what the heck Jesus said. The Gospels were written years after his death. I'd bet more than a few words were put into his mouth posthumously.

Bond

Anonymous said...

On the above post, I misspoke. I said:

----Jesus never claimed himself as God----

Please insert we don't know that Jesus claimed himself God.

Bond

Elder Joseph said...

Hi ,

I thought I had pressure and threats but definately not in comparison to SamuelTheUtahnite, although I've had one or two emails from 'Psycho Mormons' lol


My only problem is watching Mormons shuffle uncomfortably when I prefer to talk about A Head In A Hat and a Peep Stone. Well a member of the Bishopric told me ( with boldness ) he would like to see me commit myself ? lol especially after I told him how the plates were really translated . He said we have 11 witnesses who testified they saw the plates , what more do I want in evidence ?

When I told him James Strang had a lots of witnesses to his plates too , he went quiet . Then I mentioned non of the witnesses saw the plates in reality but with some kind of eyes of understanding or spiritual vision , the same vision which sees inside mountains ! it gets loopy ! lol

Then also the fact that all the living witnesses joined Strang's outfit . It really does become credible then doesn't it ! lol

I think he forgets I'm just an investigator and that I'm not under the LDS mind control. I've realised how easy it is to challenge the Mormons actually .Truth is a powerful thing and having Mormon Super Scholar Richard Lyman Bushman backing me up gives me amazing credibility ! They just can't go against Bushman and I'm left with the same answer each time , Humble myself , pay tithe , ignore everything except for reading Ensign and the standard works and church Apostles talks ( except for Russel Nelson's Head in a hat one that is ) lol well if ignored reality and only read Ensigns then I'd join wouldn't I ! lol

I don't feel like hearing the same nonsense every week In Elders Qourom .... Priesthood Power- Correct Priesthood Authority - The Priesthood- The restored Gospel and restored Priesthood Authority- The correct Priesthood to act in Gods name - Priesthood blah blah - the same priesthood which organised the universe and parted the red sea and raised the dead ? Are they serious ?? These lot couldn't organise a successful Reachout Evening , never mind a planet or part any waters. They struggle with healing common colds so I wouldn't recommend them for a resurrection .

I've concluded its a fraud , the people are genuine or at least most of them .

Joseph Smith working for God ? NO NO NO .

I can't face the creator ( whoever that may be ) accepting Joseph Smith's polygamy and every thing else he pulled came from God . My conscience forbids it .

I had JW's knock on my door today .They told me they had the Holy Spirit with them ?? I said How is that ? so do the Mormons ? They replied .. hmm I see what you mean !

I think we need to see the funny side sometimes or we will go nuts and get angry unnecessarily and who needs it ! lol

Elder Joseph

Elder Joseph said...

Ps
all the living witnesses except Oliver Cowdery joined the Strangites . Don't want mormons ganging up on me ! lol

E J

madampince said...

Samuel --

Their words remind me of Westboro Baptist Church, the outfit headed by Fred Phelps that blames everything on gays & lesbians.

Thanks for publishing the truth about ALL religions. This reformed Mormon loves you!

Anonymous said...

is hanging a dvd on a door is forcing them to open it, load it in the player and then watch it beginning to end. No. Anyone who recieves it is free to throw it away at anytime.

we all get unwanted phone calls, emails, mail etc wanting to convince us about this or that--its part of life.

Anonymous said...

But does that make it right?

Anonymous said...

Update:

There are about 4 MAD threads going concerning this movie issue (comprising probably 500+ posts). Good job stirring up the LDS Samuel.

That Aaron guy cut and run from the MAD debate after a few pointed questions from the LDS posters about his behavior.

Bond

Anonymous said...

re: but does that make it right (to hang the dvd on the door). ITs not a crime--anymore than recieving the publdihers clearinghouse sweeptakes letter un-asked for in your mail. For heavens sake--lds missionaries knock on doors and they would like to convince you that they have something better than you do and cnvince you to take it--so dont complain when others answer back about the content of what you have been offering, at YOUR doors.

Mike Parker said...

There's a comprehensive response to the video from FAIR at

http://www.JosephSmithDVD.org

Anonymous said...

Well.. I had a 4 year affair with a 5'10" Redheaded Mormon woman at Azusa 1st Ward... This is a cult and I almost bought into it.